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FedEx guy didn't come until 11:00, but it was worth the wait.
This little guy is a beauty, and even with blue eyes was gentle
as a kitten. (Sorry Bob, no bloody hand pics!) He was
born 6/28. Here are a few pics, sorry for the poor quality,
but I'm not experienced at taking pics of snakes, much less jet
black ones, and I didn't want to stress him out too much.
And I'm certain his color will be much better after he sheds.

Pretty cool, the breeder (Steve Fuller) from whom I got this guy included the egg in the package. Not sure if that is standard or not, but it's awesome.

I better get to work now, can't afford this guy if I get fired.

Any suggestions for names? I was thinking of Blackie, but I'm not
so sure about that, kind of plain.

Thanks,
Ed

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Thanks,
Ed

Congrats Ed,

Sounds pretty awesome. I never heard of sending the egg sack, Of course all mine are slimy piles of goo

Looks very nice and the pics look fine to me.

hmmmmm, names.......

Jack
midnight
Obsidian (Apache Tear)
snowy
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks Dave. Yeah, probably not a good idea to send a pile
of goo with your babies.

Some good names, thanks. I like Obsidian, that's on the short list. My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!

>>Congrats Ed,
>>
>>Sounds pretty awesome. I never heard of sending the egg sack, Of course all mine are slimy piles of goo
>>
>>Looks very nice and the pics look fine to me.
>>
>>hmmmmm, names.......
>>
>>Jack
>>midnight
>>Obsidian (Apache Tear)
>>snowy
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Thanks,
Ed

>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!

LOL I don't blame you. Nice looking snake. Just wondering, what kind of hoops did you have to jump through to get an indigo?
Rob
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For Sale cheap: One (1) 6' 19 yr old male. Does no house work. Has no job and will complain. Constantly.
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa-Ziggy
1.0 Creamscicle motley corn--Cozmo
0.1 Creamscicle corn--Wanda
0.0.1 Normal corn
0.1 Black Pine - Spazz
1.0 Eastern King-Ozy
1.0 Bearded Dragon - Gomer

Rob,
...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
Jeff

>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
>>
>>LOL I don't blame you. Nice looking snake. Just wondering, what kind of hoops did you have to jump through to get an indigo?
>>Rob
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>>For Sale cheap: One (1) 6' 19 yr old male. Does no house work. Has no job and will complain. Constantly.
>>0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa-Ziggy
>>1.0 Creamscicle motley corn--Cozmo
>>0.1 Creamscicle corn--Wanda
>>0.0.1 Normal corn
>>0.1 Black Pine - Spazz
>>1.0 Eastern King-Ozy
>>1.0 Bearded Dragon - Gomer

Jeff,

Good luck with that program, don't give up. I hope you can get a permit. That would be awesome.

Hey, assuming you remember that far back, what kind of diet did you feed your couperi? I won't bore you with the details, but I've decided to deviate a bit from what seems to be the standard diet offered by most Indy owners. I'm curious what you fed yours.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Rob,
>>...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
>>Jeff
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>>>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
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Thanks,
Ed

Ed,
...It was a long time ago. We fed them anything available. We often fed them snakes we found injured or fresh killed while road hunting. Eastern Indigos are especially fond of Yellow Ratsnakes. Today I would feed rodents exclusively.
Jeff

>>Jeff,
>>
>>Good luck with that program, don't give up. I hope you can get a permit. That would be awesome.
>>
>>Hey, assuming you remember that far back, what kind of diet did you feed your couperi? I won't bore you with the details, but I've decided to deviate a bit from what seems to be the standard diet offered by most Indy owners. I'm curious what you fed yours.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
>>>>Jeff
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>>>>>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
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>>Thanks,
>>Ed

Jeff,

Ah, so you might have valuable information to support/disprove my theory on the type of diet I should feed my snake. Do you happen to remember if the couperi you had on high reptile/amphibian diets had really bad, foul smelling, and frequent bowel movements? In other words, were the Indigo's BM's worse
than those of other snakes?

Thanks!

>>Ed,
>>...It was a long time ago. We fed them anything available. We often fed them snakes we found injured or fresh killed while road hunting. Eastern Indigos are especially fond of Yellow Ratsnakes. Today I would feed rodents exclusively.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>Good luck with that program, don't give up. I hope you can get a permit. That would be awesome.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, assuming you remember that far back, what kind of diet did you feed your couperi? I won't bore you with the details, but I've decided to deviate a bit from what seems to be the standard diet offered by most Indy owners. I'm curious what you fed yours.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>>>Rob,
>>>>>>...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed
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Thanks,
Ed

Ed,
...They had messy foul smelling BMs compared to other snakes. Most of my other keeper snakes at that time had to have rodents and I think that the diet was only part of the cause for the foul feces. People keeping Indogos today say they are messier than other snakes.
Jeff

>>Jeff,
>>
>>Ah, so you might have valuable information to support/disprove my theory on the type of diet I should feed my snake. Do you happen to remember if the couperi you had on high reptile/amphibian diets had really bad, foul smelling, and frequent bowel movements? In other words, were the Indigo's BM's worse
>>than those of other snakes?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>>>Ed,
>>>>...It was a long time ago. We fed them anything available. We often fed them snakes we found injured or fresh killed while road hunting. Eastern Indigos are especially fond of Yellow Ratsnakes. Today I would feed rodents exclusively.
>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>>Jeff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good luck with that program, don't give up. I hope you can get a permit. That would be awesome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey, assuming you remember that far back, what kind of diet did you feed your couperi? I won't bore you with the details, but I've decided to deviate a bit from what seems to be the standard diet offered by most Indy owners. I'm curious what you fed yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rob,
>>>>>>>>...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
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>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ed
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>>Thanks,
>>Ed

Hey Jeff,

Thanks for the info. From what I've read, most Indigo keepers also feed high fat diets to their snakes. My theory, based on
1) the speculation that wild Indigos eat a diet high in low-fat prey like reptiles and amphibians, and 2) disgusting, foul smelling crap is normally a sign of digestive problems, is that
captive indigos are fed diets way too high in fat content.
But without having any research/studies on Indigos fed a lower fat diet, I have nothing to compare to.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Ed,
>>...They had messy foul smelling BMs compared to other snakes. Most of my other keeper snakes at that time had to have rodents and I think that the diet was only part of the cause for the foul feces. People keeping Indogos today say they are messier than other snakes.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>Ah, so you might have valuable information to support/disprove my theory on the type of diet I should feed my snake. Do you happen to remember if the couperi you had on high reptile/amphibian diets had really bad, foul smelling, and frequent bowel movements? In other words, were the Indigo's BM's worse
>>>>than those of other snakes?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Ed,
>>>>>>...It was a long time ago. We fed them anything available. We often fed them snakes we found injured or fresh killed while road hunting. Eastern Indigos are especially fond of Yellow Ratsnakes. Today I would feed rodents exclusively.
>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeff,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Good luck with that program, don't give up. I hope you can get a permit. That would be awesome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey, assuming you remember that far back, what kind of diet did you feed your couperi? I won't bore you with the details, but I've decided to deviate a bit from what seems to be the standard diet offered by most Indy owners. I'm curious what you fed yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>...I think I can answer your question. Eastern Indigos are federally protected and a federal permit is required for sale and transport across state lines. The permit costs $100 and only requires a little paerwork and a few weeks to get. Eastern Indigos are further state protected in all the states of their historic range and private ownership is prohibited with only a few exceptions. Ed kindly provided information to me about a new program here in Georgia that allows permits for captive breeding programs with the provision that all the babies produced will be turned over to the state. I suspect that the fact that I produce and sell Rainbow Boas would seem too commercial to the Georgia DNR and would preclude my getting a permit. I am making inquiries.
>>>>>>>>>>Jeff
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My wife's proposal for a name was "Getthatdamnthingouttahere", but I don't like that one!
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>>>>>>>>Ed
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed
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Thanks,
Ed

Thanks. Like Jeff said, I had to fill out a Federal interstate commerce form and get approval since I bought the snake from a breeder who resides in another state. Really wasn't all that bad, though.

So to sum it up, the amount of hoops one needs to go through depends on the state you live in and the state the seller lives in. If you live in a state that has no regulations or permit requirements, and you're lucky enough to find a seller in the same state, there are no hoops. In other scenarios, paperwork is necessary.

If anyone has questions about this or wants more specific information, just send me a private message.

>>LOL I don't blame you. Nice looking snake. Just wondering, what kind of hoops did you have to jump through to get an indigo?
>>Rob
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Thanks,
Ed

you get another onehuh lol

I try not to think to that far into the future.

Actually, I postponed the purchase of the female until
next year. Figure I better learn to walk before I run
with two Indigos, they supposedly require a lot of maintenence.

You just want to increase my chances of getting bit...

>>you get another onehuh lol
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Thanks,
Ed

if it's a boy......BATMAN!!!
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1.4 various boas(Flicka,Felony,Nova,Alias,Alibi)
0.1 BRB Abalone; ABBI
1.0 Rott X (OSO)
2.0 cats (Simba, Morris)
fish & feeders
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not a huge fan of them but cool lol cant wait for it to get some size then i might be a lil more interested. and as far as the egg goes maybe just to reinsure its cb? i dunno never heard of that one myself i would e-mail himm be like umm im confused lol

The egg was pretty neat.. except for the smell. This guy is big
for his age (one of the two biggest of all the clutches), so he could be a 7 footer in a few years.
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Thanks,
Ed

Now that's a good looking snake you got yourself, congrats. It looks really cool with the blue eyes and the black too bad it won't be like that all the time.
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still very feisty even after a year and a half of loving care )
0.1 CRB- Tempest
1.0 JCP- name and snake coming soon
1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

Thanks Tim. Did you get your JCP yet?

>>Now that's a good looking snake you got yourself, congrats. It looks really cool with the blue eyes and the black too bad it won't be like that all the time.
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>>Tim
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>>0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still very feisty even after a year and a half of loving care )
>>0.1 CRB- Tempest
>>1.0 JCP- name and snake coming soon
>>1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur
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Thanks,
Ed

I actually just picked him up. He thinks he's such a little bad @$$ right now. oh well I'll post pics after a couple of days so he can get settled down a bit and adjusted to his new home.
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still very feisty even after a year and a half of loving care )
0.1 CRB- Tempest
1.0 JCP- name and snake coming soon
1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

Great, congratulations! Look forward to the pictures.

>>I actually just picked him up. He thinks he's such a little bad @$$ right now. oh well I'll post pics after a couple of days so he can get settled down a bit and adjusted to his new home.
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>>Thank you,
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>>Tim
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>>0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still very feisty even after a year and a half of loving care )
>>0.1 CRB- Tempest
>>1.0 JCP- name and snake coming soon
>>1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur
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Thanks,
Ed

>>FedEx guy didn't come until 11:00, but it was worth the wait.
>>This little guy is a beauty, and even with blue eyes was gentle
>>as a kitten. (Sorry Bob, no bloody hand pics!) He was
>>born 6/28. Here are a few pics, sorry for the poor quality,
>>but I'm not experienced at taking pics of snakes, much less jet
>>black ones, and I didn't want to stress him out too much.
>>And I'm certain his color will be much better after he sheds.
>>
>>Pretty cool, the breeder (Steve Fuller) from whom I got this guy included the egg in the package. Not sure if that is standard or not, but it's awesome.
>>
>>I better get to work now, can't afford this guy if I get fired.
>>
>>Any suggestions for names? I was thinking of Blackie, but I'm not
>>so sure about that, kind of plain.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
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>>Thanks,
>>Ed