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what do YOU think this is.

Do you think it is a mix expressing amelanism
what possible mix do you see
Do you think it is a pure animal expressinag amelanism or albinism.
what possible pure species do you see?

when I get some good opinions I will tell you two things.
What I was told it is
and what I think it is.

maybe beteen your opinions and mine we can come up with valid arguments as to what it probably is.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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looks like a few of mine.....amels...........
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.........2.3 yellowbelly.....one normal and a really cool black back /heavy patterned.......

.....today.......BEE time........? how many?.....(hope for 6.)......aaaahahahaa.....!
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not too many takers.

In '03 when he was sent to me he was sent as a "mean ass creamsicle"

I never really had any reason to doubt the fact that it wasn't pure corn. In person there is definitely a look that says mix. At least to me anyway.

It just always seemed to me to look more like the possibility or grey rat as opposed to emoryi.
Just speculation.

As far as breedings and labeling have been concerned I went with what I was told...creamsicle.

His ofsrping with cream females have always been nice orange creams with a slight touch of frosting.

To me the "frosting" and the saddle shape just seemed "greyish"

I asked Don S. the same question after I posted here and he didn't really see the grey rat markers I was seeing but he did see typical creamsicle.

That's good enough for me.

just wondering if anyone else saw what I did.

GUESS NOT...lol

one of his daughters.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I don't even see the creme .....but his kid looks light enough to be creme......

...I have amels that are all shades of red and oranges......

the first 4 amels I ever bought all turned out totally different.......all brothers......one had no white and looked sunglow one looked reverse okee and 2 were like the one you posted actually........I still have the one,........1990 hatchling........he's getting old and ugly and has bad eyes.....yet he still likes the girls.....go figure......

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.........2.3 yellowbelly.....one normal and a really cool black back /heavy patterned.......

.....today.......BEE time........? how many?.....(hope for 6.)......aaaahahahaa.....!
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>>I don't even see the creme .....but his kid looks light enough to be creme......
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>>...I have amels that are all shades of red and oranges......
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>>the first 4 amels I ever bought all turned out totally different.......all brothers......one had no white and looked sunglow one looked reverse okee and 2 were like the one you posted actually........I still have the one,........1990 hatchling........he's getting old and ugly and has bad eyes.....yet he still likes the girls.....go figure......
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I know what you mean
I had an amel for a while that was as orange as ..well..an orange but the genetics were known and it was an amel.
that's why I get a kick when anytime people see something slightly different the say hybrid
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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for sure you got an ultramel if it is the most disgusting thing you ever tried to pick up.....biting and musking all the time.......LOL.........

I am actually taking all the ultras and ultramels and het stuff to the next show for sure and if they don't sell I would really like to just BBQ the rotten little ....$5#$%^E566**&^%......I am really going to try and clean house and take my numbers down this year........one way or another.......

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,.........have fun.........
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.........2.3 yellowbelly.....one normal and a really cool black back /heavy patterned.......

.....today.......BEE time........? how many?.....(hope for 6.)......aaaahahahaa.....!
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>>for sure you got an ultramel if it is the most disgusting thing you ever tried to pick up.....biting and musking all the time.......LOL.........
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>>I am actually taking all the ultras and ultramels and het stuff to the next show for sure and if they don't sell I would really like to just BBQ the rotten little ....$5#$%^E566**&^%......I am really going to try and clean house and take my numbers down this year........one way or another.......
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I have one ultramel
Don't really know why I kept him.
He doesn't have that bad of an attitude but I don't really have any use for him.
I will probably try to get rid of him one of these days.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I know this is not correct But I've seen a few amel black rats. It has some similarities in the look.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

>>I know this is not correct But I've seen a few amel black rats. It has some similarities in the look.
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>>Thanks for reading.
>>Big Tom
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>>www.herpzilla.com

thanks Tom
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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could have some bull in it? great snake either way
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jake barney

my addiction:
1.1 ball pythons
0.2.1 corns
1.0 cal king
0.0.1 wc garter

I would have called it a slightly overweight amel. It could have some Emory in it, due to it being heavy-bodied, but the problem with many creamsicles is that they're not a 50/50 genetic split in many cases - too many people are breeding amel corns to creams, causing the Emory influence to be dilluted to the point of a creamsicle looking like a "pure" corn.

Tim

Third Eye

>>I would have called it a slightly overweight amel. It could have some Emory in it, due to it being heavy-bodied, but the problem with many creamsicles is that they're not a 50/50 genetic split in many cases - too many people are breeding amel corns to creams, causing the Emory influence to be dilluted to the point of a creamsicle looking like a "pure" corn.
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>>Tim
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>>Third Eye

He is a big healthy boy.
He is probably pushing five feet.
I don't know, to me he never did look pure corn. It may be just the way he looks in person.
thanks Tim
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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