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Well, Mendel himself would be proud. From a hypo het. albino X albino het. hypo pairing I got 5 eggs. 1 dbl het, 1 hypo het albino and 3 tang albinos. A near perfect 25%/25%/50%, gotta love it.

Since we cant tell the difference between hybinos and albinos with these parents I dont know if the one albino is really a hybino but I'd bet diamonds to donuts its was, its much more pale than the other two albinos. Doesn't show up in the pic well, but you can see the differneces.

Best
Vinny

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Hybino or not, the two albinos shown are both pretty impressive specimens.
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Joe

Killer clutch. I would guess hybino on that one by the pics. Randy

Finally came out of the egg and is really light. The pic does not show her (or his) eye color very well but its bright ruby red......

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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man congrats on a killer clutch, love that closeup of the hypo showing eggtooth,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Thanks, that egg tooth is cool. So small I actually missed it

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Vinny:

Great lookin' babies.

I'd agree with your suspicion on the hybino. I bought some possible hybinos including the pale albinos terry dunham was selling a few years ago and as adults they look different than your regular tangerine albinos. It's almost creamsicle-ish.

I've included pics of two, one I think is defintely hybino.

Rob

Thanks! The differences are more dramatic then I thought they would be. Would be cool to see some older adults (if there are any 3 year old or so def. hybinos out there).

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Vinny, here is a proven hybino and he is 4 years old.its the one on the left.more pale looking than the real good tang albino.

Shannon

Thanks Shannon, thats just what I wanted to see. Guess that pale look never goes away, that is an awesome pair. (By the way the father of the clutch is the hypo het. albino I got from you a while back.)

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Thanks Vinny, thats cool did the female produce for you this year?

I told Dunham many years ago that the hybinos would be pale looking and not the bright screamers that everybody that was the hybinos.

L8r

Yeah, that's definitely more than likely the deal.

On another note,...if some of these "muted" tangerines for whatever reason proved NOT to be "hybinos", they would certainly be "hypoerythristic" albinos!!.....that would be VERY exciting to have yet one more additional morph to play around with!
wouldn't it??

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Oh dont say that With all the accustations of new morphs comming from cross breeding with other species its only a matter or time before some says the hybinos are actually hypoerythristic hondo/sinaloan crosses!

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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If a certain few of these "muted" very light orange tangerines within a clutch were alledged hybinos, or any morph for that matter, and didn't prove to be faded orange due to the double mutation we know as "hybino", then it would MOST CERTAINLY have to be a "hypoerythristic" animal.

Not to be confused with a "peach" colored albino!, I'm talking about those obviously great examples of bi-colored "tangerine"
albinos like the new clutch in previous post!

I'm just saying HYPOTHETICALLY, that if they were NOT proved out to be "hybinos", then they would certainly be
"hypoerythristic" animals because of the huge difference in orange/red pigmentation in comparison to the other MUCH deeper colored sibs within the SAME clutch.....see what I mean?

They would fit the definition to a tee!!.....(greatly reduced red/orange pigmentation within the pigment cells known as the
"erythrophore".

I hope nobody thinks I'm saying "hybinos" are not "hybinos", because I'm not. I'm fully aware of what makes all the Honduran morphs............this ONLY would apply if an extremely "muted down" tangerine albino was NOT!! proven out by test breeding to be a "hybino".....see what I mean?

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

LOL, I got what you were saying. But I had just been reading the kingsnake forum and they have trust issues (or atleast some of them do), so with that mind set I was just making a joke abou it.

And I do think that a hypoE honduran would be pretty cool (image a hypoE and hypomelanistic! Very cool.)

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Vinny,.....

Yeah!, I also totally dig what you're sayin' about all the suspicion and speculation over there in the "kingsnake world"!LOL

Those are the same guys that would argue with me about breeding whatever species of snake to whatever else, just because it MIGHT look cool!.....now those same people are getting bitten in their own asses, because of all the crosses that they've made!LOL

Already there are so many people that don't have a clue as to what type of animal(s) they have. This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the that goes, and unfortunately, will only get much worse!..........some of these people might realize what's happening later on,....but in many cases, it is already far too late for any recovery.

I usually don't bother explaining any of this to folks anymore, as all it seems to do is make others get "worked-up" and put on the "boxing gloves"!!LOL

Anyway, I'm sure there are plenty of other folks that see were these trends are leading.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

yep, I see where the trend is going for sure. One thing is you will have those people out there that don't care of lines locales etc.. and they just buy them for the visual affect and thats all fine and dandy its the next guy that rocks the boat.

I was just at a show over the weekend and while cruising around I saw so many mistakes (especially with milks) and pointed a few out to the vender and some take it well and others will argue to no end.
I saw a adult annulata (text book mind you) and it was labled scarlet king.I told the vendor "hey bud this here is actually a mexican milk and not a scarlet king" hey so nope its a scarlet and I sold the other two that looked just like it.LOL.... nice I said.
Same guy had baby amel cal kings at 79.00each and baby black milks at $34.95 each????what??? oh well its a free country.

I also saw some patterned black kings ...they were labled as such and were clearly hybrids of some kind.Same guy had a longnose on the table and we were in Calif....

L8r

Yeah,....

I see the same stuff all the time too!

Knowledge is really the ONLY tool that can be used against this sort of thing,...unfortunately to grasp the many facets of all the different types of snakes regarding morphs, species, subspecies, intergrades, variation, etc.. of all these can take many many years of experience........oh well, life goes on!

take care, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I tried that a few times myslef at a local pet store. I saw a text book durango mt labled as an blairs phase GBK. I told the clerk and she told me they were the same species just different common names! Same people that were selling a high white albino nelsons as a "reverse" albino for $300.

I would have bought up those black milks though, how can you beat that bargin?

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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well, they looked pretty text book black milks but without seeing the adults I wouldn't want to turn those animals not knowing what they will turn out like.
They didn't even have them labled black milks.LOL.. it just said milk snakes.

Sounds like "VENDOR DUDE" would've been better off selling women's underwear!LOL

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

No, its the strangest thing. She slugged out, but the other female laid a clutch of five and every egg was fertile. Normally I would blame the male for shooting blanks but guess even females can misfire sometimes! She is much larger now so should produce a pretty big clutch next year.

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Very nice Vinny! That's a great looking tangerine albino there. Keep us posted on what the hybino looks like as he ages.

Dave
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