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Can someone please point me in the right direction? I am trying to find out the "correct" way to label hatchlings, like 1st generation, 2nd generation, offspring of which adults, etc. I've checked all my books and magazines, and know I've seen it before, but just can't find it now that I need it! I've been searching online and find everything but...
Thanks!
Beth

Well what specifically are you wanting to label? If they are albino label them albino.... If one parent was a snow, and another an albino, and the baby is albino, label it albino het. anery. I don't quite understand your question or the problem......
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Striped Anery Corn "V" or "5".....Has two names
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)
0.0.1 Crested Gecko "The Crested Gecko"

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

Which is probably why I'm having problems finding the answer! I'm not talking about color morphs, just which generation is which, like F1, F2, etc. And do you somehow link the parents in the label for each hatchling? What about the year of hatching? Is there some standard to follow, or do you just make up your own system?
Hope that helps!
Beth

F1 refers to the offspring of wildcaught snakes. F2 refers to the offspring of F1 snakes (aka second generation). Since most captive corns have been captive bred for several generations, there's not much use the "F" lableing system, except when dealing with locality-specific animals.

Tim

Third Eye

I don't think there really is a standard labeling technique used by breeders. Most just develop their own method, either by giving each snake in their collection a number or name, then year of birth etc.

Thus, use whatever naming convention works for you.Accurate notes is the important thing. You have to be able to identify which snake is which using the naming convention, so if somebody buys baby A/hAn2/0607 and asks what it is, you can say Albino (amel) het Anery type 2, born June 2007

The herp breeders programs available on the market (typically for free I beleive) may also have their own built in naming convention which the program will automatically pump out according to what information you put into the program. Detailing parents, date of clutch laid and hatched, and details about the offspring may produce labels you can attached to the offspring for your own records for those you sell and hold back.

As I have never used any of those programs, I can't say for sure if they do give you such name tags.

The big breeders will of course have more info on this subject than I, sending an email to them or giving them a call certainly will be beneficial. It doesn't even matter if they are corn snake breeders or not. If there is a naming convention it probably work across the hobby not just species specific.
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PHLdyPayne

Metzcal is one of those free programs for reptile breeders.

It does name/label offspring for you using some convention but can't remeber which one or if you choose it from a list of different conventions.

The program works great but it takes alot of time to setup because you have to initially fill in all the identifying information or categorizations customizing it. for instance among other things you have to enter the taxonomy tree you want to use for each species you are keeping records of. after that it will keep track of that for each snake automatically just by clicking on the species of the snake in your list. Similarly it keeps track of all genetics, parentage, feeding, and just about anything else you can think of lol.

Just thought I'd answer the question about whether the free ones use a convention or not.

Sean.

LOL!!!.......That's a funny coincidence, as a matter of fact, I just got done downloading that very program!.

Seems to be VERY detailed,.....I hope it turns out to be fairly "user-friendly" after all the info is filled in.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

could it keep track of hybrid genetics?
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jake barney

my addiction:
1.1 ball pythons
0.2.1 corns
1.0 cal king
0.0.1 wc garter

I've already learned something!
Beth

The F notation for generations is almost exclusively used for special projects where you want to know how far into the project the progeny are from. The exception to this is what someone mentioned above where they are reffering to the number of generations away from the wild caught stock. This is only, as far as i know, important for genetic diversity concerns.

Most commonly the F notation is used for either line/locality breeding or for hybridization projects. In line breeding it is important because it lets you know at the same time how inbred the animal is and how strongly the appearance has been reinforced through inbreeding. In hybridization it is important because it is common for the first several generations of a specific species hybridization to have extreme variation in the appearancve of the offspring. Often by the third or fourth generations though the appearances tend to stabalize into a recognizable "species/breed". You see this most commonly in the developement of new breeds of cats and dogs.

Hope this was helpfull.

Sean.

Very helpful!!! Thank you so much!
I've downloaded Metzcal and am working my way through.
Again,
thanks!
Beth