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Well, apparently I cannot refer to certain snakes in certain places on this website without getting my post pulled. I thought it was OK to mention it if I didn't link to it. RRRGGHH.

Anyway, I was wondering what the deal is with the Piebald Black Pines? Is it a proven recessive gene?

Thanks!
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Aubrey Ross

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Yeah Aubrey I get very frustrated at not knowing why something is being pulled/deleted or why they do not email the posters as to why or possibly delete specific posts instead of just whole threads.

I do not know for certain about the piebald gene in black rats but I suspect it is a proven but rare morph at the moment sort of like the piebald bloodred gene is(I believe).

I would suggest emailing Don Soderberg at south mountain reptiles (listed here or sponsor here on KS) as he works with black rat's, leucy black rats, and may be working with the piedbald black rats without listing them. I know he similarly works with pied side bloodred corns but doesn't list them.

Also even if he doesn't work with them himself he has always been willing to answer questions with me even when they did not relate directly to his own animals.

Sean.

I got confused and was thinking black rat not black pine.

Not sure about black pine piedbald gene.

Sorry about my idiot moment lol.

Sean.

...John Cherry over at Cherryville farms though. He was very helpfull answering pituophis questions for me when I was searching for breeders for a pacific gopher snake breeding project.

Sean.

Thanks Sean, I think I might do that... and no worries on the mix-up.
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Aubrey Ross

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There seems to be some mystery in the Pituophis community as to the origin of the piebald Black Pinesnakes. Michael Collalto (I believe of the Buffalo, NY area) spontaneously produced the first piebald babies from normal looking adults. He offered the first babies to me and at a later date, the adults. I was not interested and passed on both offers.

We used to communicate quite a bit but have lost touch. They've been around for at least fifteen years and the trait is reproducable.

Cheers,

Terry Vandeventer

Terry,
that is right, thanks for the refresher. I have talked to Mike on and off the past few years, that is the story he told me.

Western NY has been good to the herp community over the years...
daveb

I had the same experience as Terry. I was thinking that it was more like 10 years ago but I guess I could buy 15....time flys when you're breeding pits.

Thank yoy Terry, that was really helpful. I'm glad to hear that it has been proven to be reproduceable and isn't something random. Thanks again!!
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