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Here's a new shot of one of this year's dark-eyed anerythristic Kisatchie cornsnakes. If anyone can get a copy of Reptilia Magazine, there is a recent article on Kisatchie cornsnakes in it with images of both new morphs.

In brief, these came from a captive hatched clutch that contained the first known example of this morph.
KJ

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KJUN Snakehaven

....and the new one we are trying to prove is genetic!
KJ

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KJUN Snakehaven

1. Forgot to mention - notice the complete lack of yellow in the dark-eyed aners. This mutation seems to have less than even the original "charcoals" did in cornsnakes.

2. Notice the "silverleaf" has normal colored eyes, so that makes it different from the other "anerythristic" lines out there in this same genus. Weird. In person, this snake is one of the prettiest Elaphe I have ever seen!
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

>>1. Forgot to mention - notice the complete lack of yellow in the dark-eyed aners. This mutation seems to have less than even the original "charcoals" did in cornsnakes.
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>>2. Notice the "silverleaf" has normal colored eyes, so that makes it different from the other "anerythristic" lines out there in this same genus. Weird. In person, this snake is one of the prettiest Elaphe I have ever seen!
>>KJ
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>> KJUN Snakehaven

Those are both beautiful snakes but that silverleaf is special.
Looking forward to updates on the genitics.
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>>Those are both beautiful snakes but that silverleaf is special.
>>Looking forward to updates on the genitics.

Thanks, and I agree - that silverleaf reminds me that he is too good for me every time I look at him....lol. It'll be a LONG, SLOW wait until I can breed his babies in 2 years! (These are three of his normal looking offspring - the mom was a WC female from the same county.)
KJ

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KJUN Snakehaven

is an awesome animal,keep us posted on how things progress with it.
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Arlon Delorge
Classic Constrictors

>>is an awesome animal,keep us posted on how things progress with it.
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>>Arlon Delorge
>>Classic Constrictors
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KJUN Snakehaven

Wow!!..........that is ONE SWEEEET ANIMAL!!

I'll bet you are giving those (hopefully het) babies plenty of nourishment, along with some "Flintstones" vitamins so they can grow up and make you some homozygous offspring!!LOL

I'm sure you'll do a few back-flips if those babies produce some more of those, huh!

Did you catch the original, or what?

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

So that answers my question!..........if I only would have paid more attention to what I was reading!

Guess the sight of that "Silverleaf" got me too excited!!LOL

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>So that answers my question!..........if I only would have paid more attention to what I was reading!
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>> Guess the sight of that "Silverleaf" got me too excited!!LOL

LOL. The Silverleaf is the WC.

The dark-eyed aners are descended (in part) from a clutch of normal babies - and one aner - that a female laid SOON after being collected. (We didn't know the female was an aner at the time!) i was able to purchase some babies from that clutch, and a couple turned out to be het aners (the whole clutch had to have been 67% possible hets in hindsight). That's were THOSE originated from: a WC gravid female. Don Soderberg got some when he bred the son of my aner (the origianl CH one) to one of his girls of a related line (the daughter to siblings to the original clutch).

Seems I produced them before, but Don was the FIRST to produce them and recognize them for the gems that they are!
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

>> I'll bet you are giving those (hopefully het) babies plenty of nourishment, along with some "Flintstones" vitamins so they can grow up and make you some homozygous offspring!!LOL

Thanks. No extra meals or anything like that, but I am separating the babies out onto different racks and putting them in different rooms/buildings as soon as brumation is over JUST in case...... I did put a few on loan to a good friend so that a couplke are at HIS place in case something really bad happens here. Fingers crossed for both of us.

>> I'm sure you'll do a few back-flips if those babies produce some more of those, huh!

That's an understatement.

>> Did you catch the original, or what?

I wish. A friend collected it on a road we herp ~12-15 miles or so north of where I live (same county). The only Kisatchies I've found there were normals, and all DOR. I had plenty of females from the same county (closer to where I live) to breed to that boy, though, so all is good!
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

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TomsSnakes.com

Every time I look at him, I try to think of another mutation that LOOKS similar, but nothing comes to mind. he is certainly unique, I think!

KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

Pretty sure that looks like a hybrid to me, perhaps with a suboc, or a speckled king or maybe an analata. Or just maybe, it is a 5 way hybrid, having all of the above mentioned and being half ball python.

But seriously, that pic doesnt even do him justice, he is so much better in person. I want some.
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South Texas Herps

"analata" my arse, bud.....geez.

Don't worry, I make sure he is still here right after you leave each time.....lol.

>>Pretty sure that looks like a hybrid to me, perhaps with a suboc, or a speckled king or maybe an analata. Or just maybe, it is a 5 way hybrid, having all of the above mentioned and being half ball python.
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>>But seriously, that pic doesnt even do him justice, he is so much better in person. I want some.
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>> South Texas Herps
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KJUN Snakehaven

VERY nice. I had a snake come into our shop just like that. No real definition between the black saddle rings and center. Everyone that came in said it was something else, emory, anery A B ghost lol. I sold as a maybe something. Bad part of "some" newibies, buying snakes and dont care what they were told it was. Pet shops get a bad name for this, but they generally buy unknown snakes from people that just don't know.

I once had a guy bring in an albino burmese and a 100 gallon fish tank for $50. SHAZAM

It was a 50 breeder tank and a ball python.

Very nice snake.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

They are both similar in size (at least it appears that way) Are those two related or are they two seperate strains? Also, are the anery kisatchies typically jet black and silver or is that just an exceptional animal?
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.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)
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>>They are both similar in size (at least it appears that way)

Nah, one of those eats fuzzy mice (CB07 - the aner) and the other eats Jumbo Mice (WC06 as an adult - the silverleaf). The photographs are misleading, aren't they?

> Are those two related or are they two seperate strains?

Separate strains. Both are locality animals, except one is from Louisiana, and one is from Texas.

> Also, are the anery kisatchies typically jet black and silver or is that just an exceptional animal?

That is very typical looking for the ones I produce. Don Soderberg's are a little less high contrasting, but his has been outcrossed to another Louisiana locality (to simplify the case a little). Neither of us has produced one that has developed yellow (yet?).
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven