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bethtx2000 Oct 09, 2007 07:45 PM

was sold to me as chinese garter but the garter snake forum directed me over here as they think it's some sorta species of chinese rat snake ?
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bethtx2000 Oct 09, 2007 07:46 PM


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bethtx2000 Oct 09, 2007 07:48 PM

Looks to be Pyatas Duhmnades. Aka Big eyed ratsnake, dhumnades ratsnake, Zaocys Dhumnades. They can grow to 10'

Chris_Harper2 Oct 09, 2007 08:55 PM

Formerly Ptyas dhumnades, now Zaocys dhumnades. You can find information on the net with both names.

These are basically large racers. They have been discussed here and on the Indigo forum, however. Maybe the racer forum as well.
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Currently keeping a small collection of various Gonyosoma. Both G. janseni and G. oxycephala.

Royreptile Oct 09, 2007 10:31 PM

I'm pretty sure that they were formerly Zaocys dhumnades and are now considered Ptyas dhumnades.
They frequent stream courses and feed primarily on fish and frogs in their natural habitat. They can grow to great lengths, exceeding eight feet regularly.
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Roy Blodgett
Green Man Herpetoculture
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
1.1 Pseustes sulphureus
1.1 Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus
0.0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.2 Varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Mt.Isa)
2.3 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

tokaysrnice Oct 09, 2007 11:10 PM

Thats what I thought too. Who all picked some of those up? I wanted to but didn't, I wanna do Spilotes first.

How those Pseustes eggs doing? Roy
Nate

Royreptile Oct 10, 2007 12:16 PM

Bill (Sighthunter) picked up some of the Ptyas, but other than him I'm not sure who bought them.
The Pseustes eggs are looking good. I'm anticipating that the eight healthy eggs will hatch sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Fingers crossed!
How's the little Spilotes?
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Roy Blodgett
Green Man Herpetoculture
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
1.1 Pseustes sulphureus
1.1 Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus
0.0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.2 Varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Mt.Isa)
2.3 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

Chris_Harper2 Oct 12, 2007 11:18 AM

Actually I think we are both right. I think back in the 1800's they were Ptyas, then moved to Zaocys, and now back to Ptyas.

But a quick google search does not confirm this in every case, suggesting that there was confusion even way back then.

Regardless, it does seem most appropriate to currently call these snakes P. dhumnades. Sorry for any confusion.

>>I'm pretty sure that they were formerly Zaocys dhumnades and are now considered Ptyas dhumnades.
>>They frequent stream courses and feed primarily on fish and frogs in their natural habitat. They can grow to great lengths, exceeding eight feet regularly.
>>-----
>>Roy Blodgett
>>Green Man Herpetoculture
>>royreptile@yahoo.com
>>
>>1.1 Drymarchon corais
>>1.1 Pseustes sulphureus
>>1.1 Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus
>>0.0.1 Coluber mormon
>>1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
>>1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
>>1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
>>1.2 Varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Mt.Isa)
>>2.3 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
>>1.0 Iguana iguana
>>
>>“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville
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Currently keeping a small collection of various Gonyosoma. Both G. janseni and G. oxycephala.

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