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Never see them in the classifieds anymore. Becoming a rarity? Are folks holding back because of the new law? What's happening?
Dan

They generally hatch out very late in the year which is why you might not be seeing any hatchlings yet atleast. I have a few clutches and not one has hatched out yet. Hopefully you will see more in the next couple of months or so. Randy

...there has seemed to be increasing, at least from my limited experience, in them recently so even once the majority of the clutches start hatching you may see them being scooped up more quickly then in the past.

Sean.

lol typo in above post.

meant increasing INTEREST in them.

I always forget to click that preview button lol

Sean.

Dan...
As a friend, I'm taking intervention here.
You know you have a SUBOC habit...
You have got to give them up...
You have too many.....

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Regards, Bill McGighan

Yeah, too many MALES!!

I would think A lot of people are still cooking eggs right now.Mine got about 5 weeks to go.

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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

New law?Please enlighten me.I am not familiar with it.Thanks.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

>>New law?Please enlighten me.I am not familiar with it.Thanks.
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>>"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

Well, it's now illegal to touch, collect, or photograph (or rescue, for that matter) any herp on any road or hwy. in TX. But you can still collect them on property and land where you have permission from the owner.

And just to add on...I did have a few eager beavers this year that laid early. I had some albinos hatch the first week in Sept. and some orange "normal" x mustard blonde that hatched about a week ago.

I still have about 20 eggs incubating, though.

And Sean is right, many of my subocs, indeed most, are sold before they even hatch...sometimes, before they are even laid as eggs.

DR

Suboc.com

Thanks for that info. Dusty.Seems to me that that law should make subocs a more desirable specie to work with as theoreticly there will be no more wild caught stock brought into the hobby.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

There will still be wild caught animals they just can't be road collected. I also noticed very few subocs for sale. I'm in desperate need of a breedable female. Chris Drake

Subocularis are pretty common in southern NM, where they aren't protected and can be wild caught. Anyone wanting to catch a suboc can simply go there.
And I think the bogeys from southern NM are better looking animals anyway.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

My (het for blonde) eggs are 55 days and counting. Hopefully some tall blondes pop out, which I intend to keep. Back in the mid - 70's and early 80's I had 3 breeding pairs and couldn't give the babies away.
But now with the blondes, silvers, and albinos the interest in them has peaked again. The cage shown is a home made 4 footer for my female.

Mike

...............that it took all the mutations to get most ratsnake keepers interested in subocs. I feel the normals and blondes will always be the best subocs. part of what makes a suboc special is the way it looks. i don't see anything too special in the way an amel or snow suboc looks. they look like so many other snows or amels. i'm glad to see a rejuvenated interest in them, just sorry about how it had to come about. i know this post may not set well with some. it's not my intention to ruffle any feathers. but now that i've said it, how do some of you other suboc keepers feel about the amels and the snows? Rusty

...personally I love a silver next to a blonde because I think those two appearances really show each other off. After that my personal favorite so far would have to be a light off white/creamy background color normal with coffee bean brown H's. I think the albino's and snows look neat and are very good for morph developement/selective breeding but they hold more project and sales value to me then pet value.

That's one of the nice thing's about my current pair and the female I am hopefully getting this year. I have a pair of triple hets and plan on getting a silver female to fill the trio. This way I'll have two of my three preffered appearances and potential to create alot of the possible morphs out there.

Of course one which is not mentioned but which would be in the top couple of my preffered/wanted list is a bleached blonde liek the one Dusty produced. But it still remains to be seen how that appearance will fall out in successive generations.

Personally I believe that the more morphs and selectively bred appearances in captivity the better. As the mnumber of available varieties of subocs increases so will the base of keepers to which one variety or another will appeal. This in turn will cause an increased general interest in subocs overall.

Sean.

I plan on getting a pair this season and am getting a normal pair. Blondes look great, as do silvers, but I like the normal colors the best.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I kinda get the feeling that they're mostly being held back until the "market" goes one way or the other.
Don't care much for all the albino & snow hype. But I'll be one happy poppa when I can produce some normal patterned silvers. As it is, I've never bred any sub-ocs. But, thanks to Dusty, Lee Abbott, Rick Green & Peace River Herps I've got the foundation stock to hopefully see it happen, if the bogey gods will bless me.
Bill, thanks for your intervention. I'm considering sending the whole damn group up to you & just going back to fishing!!!
Dan