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Was cleaning last night and noticed my bulged eye baby was looking different, the bulge was dented in, not stretched out.

I found out how hard it is to use a magnifying glass to check out one eye on a snake that does not want to be checked out!!

After seeing nothing I got out a strong light and while shinning that on her face, I was able to get a much better look. WOW, I even saw the eye move under the bulge. They eye itself is normal sized, the bulge is excess fluid under the occular scale. Looks like this will heal itself over time!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!

She's been eating fine, shed w/out problem and of course, leaving me presents from time to time. No new pics but here are the post shed ones again...

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
....I have had a few babies with a bulged eye like that. I even have one now. The bulged out eye is much firmer than it looks. I would think that it is just fluid under the brill but they seem too firm for that to be the sole cause of the problem. I apply triple antibiotic ointment to them about once a week. Some of them resolve the swelling in a couple days and some of them are persistent and eventually kill the snake. The ones that resolve leave the snake with a cloudy looking eye but the snakes do well. The one I have now is one of my early september babies and he was born with the swollen eye. The eye is about twice as swollen as yours. I keep thinking I should euthanize him but he eats and poops and so I keep hoping for him.
Jeff

>>Was cleaning last night and noticed my bulged eye baby was looking different, the bulge was dented in, not stretched out.
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>>I found out how hard it is to use a magnifying glass to check out one eye on a snake that does not want to be checked out!!
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>>After seeing nothing I got out a strong light and while shinning that on her face, I was able to get a much better look. WOW, I even saw the eye move under the bulge. They eye itself is normal sized, the bulge is excess fluid under the occular scale. Looks like this will heal itself over time!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Jeff, thanks for the reply. This is my first one with a bulged eye and glad to hear some are able to thrive. She's really doing fine, just like her sibs. Hope to someday adopt her out to a good home. I hate to put them down if not necessary.

I know that so far I've been very lucky, mostly live and healthy. A few with defects that were not debilitating and only one that was live and had that severe of a problem that I had to put it down. There have been a few that had deformities that thankfully were not alive.

Hope your bulged eye baby pulls through!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Hey Jeff, thanks for the reply. This is my first one with a bulged eye and glad to hear some are able to thrive. She's really doing fine, just like her sibs. Hope to someday adopt her out to a good home. I hate to put them down if not necessary.
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>>I know that so far I've been very lucky, mostly live and healthy. A few with defects that were not debilitating and only one that was live and had that severe of a problem that I had to put it down. There have been a few that had deformities that thankfully were not alive.
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>>Hope your bulged eye baby pulls through!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

That is great news. I hope it heals itself up quickly.
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still nippy even after a year and a half of loving care)
0.1 CRB- Tempest
0.1 JCP- Serenity
1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

Thanks Tim, I've heard of breeders that put down anything with any defect at all. I'd much rather work with the animal and see if it can live a decent life. If so, find it a home as someones pet, not a breeder.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I'd say that's the best thing to do with them. No reason in killing something that could live a good life even with a deformity. Still I hope it corrects itself for the little girl.
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still nippy even after a year and a half of loving care)
0.1 CRB- Tempest
0.1 JCP- Serenity
1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

>>I'd say that's the best thing to do with them. No reason in killing something that could live a good life even with a deformity. Still I hope it corrects itself for the little girl.
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>>Thank you,
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>>Tim
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>>0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still nippy even after a year and a half of loving care)
>>0.1 CRB- Tempest
>>0.1 JCP- Serenity
>>1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

Nature can be cruel, would this snake survive in the wild, heck would it have even been born, prolly not. Should it be allowed to breed? "NO" at least in my opinion, is it an infection, a genetic mishap? I think that is why most breeders would use it as Kingsnake food or euthanize it. You could sell it as a pet but then you run the risk of it dying because it was indeed an infection or a odd genetic problem and well that can make you look bad. Its a tough decision and one that every breeder is bound to cross.

BTW I have heard freezing the snake is one way to go any other ideas? I really hate to put things down but it comes with the territory.
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

Absolutely nature can be cruel, survival of the fittest and all!

IMO many of the babies we produce would not survive for long in the wild. We are selectively breeding for brightly colored ones, not exactly the best camouflage.

Yes we as breders will be faced with the odd baby from time to time. I for one will give them a chance when there is hope. Have already placed a few not so perfect babies in the past. All were kept much longer than typical before they were sold just to ensure they were able to survive. I'm talking several months, not weeks. After I was sure they would be OK, then and only then were they placed in homes as pets only. And of course with FULL disclosure as to the nature of their known defect and at a price that would prevent them from being KS food but nowhere near that of a normal BRB.

This year was my first time having to put one down. It was born with a severely deformed jaw and what appeared to be spinal kinking. I had heard of the freezer method and that's how I put it down. Really sucked, one of the herder things I've had to do as a breeder. Like you said though, it comes with the territory!

>>Nature can be cruel, would this snake survive in the wild, heck would it have even been born, prolly not. Should it be allowed to breed? "NO" at least in my opinion, is it an infection, a genetic mishap? I think that is why most breeders would use it as Kingsnake food or euthanize it. You could sell it as a pet but then you run the risk of it dying because it was indeed an infection or a odd genetic problem and well that can make you look bad. Its a tough decision and one that every breeder is bound to cross.
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>>BTW I have heard freezing the snake is one way to go any other ideas? I really hate to put things down but it comes with the territory.
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>>Jason A.
>>"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Absolutely nature can be cruel, survival of the fittest and all!
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>>IMO many of the babies we produce would not survive for long in the wild. We are selectively breeding for brightly colored ones, not exactly the best camouflage.
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>>Yes we as breders will be faced with the odd baby from time to time. I for one will give them a chance when there is hope. Have already placed a few not so perfect babies in the past. All were kept much longer than typical before they were sold just to ensure they were able to survive. I'm talking several months, not weeks. After I was sure they would be OK, then and only then were they placed in homes as pets only. And of course with FULL disclosure as to the nature of their known defect and at a price that would prevent them from being KS food but nowhere near that of a normal BRB.
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>>This year was my first time having to put one down. It was born with a severely deformed jaw and what appeared to be spinal kinking. I had heard of the freezer method and that's how I put it down. Really sucked, one of the herder things I've had to do as a breeder. Like you said though, it comes with the territory!
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>>>>Nature can be cruel, would this snake survive in the wild, heck would it have even been born, prolly not. Should it be allowed to breed? "NO" at least in my opinion, is it an infection, a genetic mishap? I think that is why most breeders would use it as Kingsnake food or euthanize it. You could sell it as a pet but then you run the risk of it dying because it was indeed an infection or a odd genetic problem and well that can make you look bad. Its a tough decision and one that every breeder is bound to cross.
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>>>>BTW I have heard freezing the snake is one way to go any other ideas? I really hate to put things down but it comes with the territory.
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>>>>Jason A.
>>>>"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave I am dreading the day I will have to put one down, while I do keep KS at this point I have no intentions of feeding them any snake lol I had a hard time pre-killing mice/rats now I use F/T .
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

I'm glad that things are starting to look up for the little tyke. Hopefully you won't ever be able to tell anything was wrong with her in a few months.
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Aubrey Ross

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