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What are the actual mechanics involved in breeding akingsnake to a milksnake? Is it only necesary to have female of either ready to be breed? Will the male respond to her? Is some trickery of the snakes involved necessary for them to hook up?

how about NOT trying this breeding instead??

Shannon

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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/8

I couldn't agree with you more. This sounds like another "newbie" who thinks they'll create a "new species" that everyone will want.

Instead, if they're sucessful, they'll create ugly snakes that no one will want and will forever be a threat to the gene pool.

I've read more "What kind of snake is this?" posts on these forums in 2007 than all other years combined. Most often these questions are posted by people who have inherited unwanted snake "mutts" that there's no way to accurately trace the genetic histoty of.

Tim

In the wild, there is a chance snakes will naturally intergrade
were their ranges overlap. There are known breeders that purposely breed different breeds on snakes for a desired result. Professional Breeders for one produces some wild looking snakes. As beautiful as they are....THEY ARE MUTTS. My concern has always been that when someone crosses snakes and the ones that look like kings will be sold as kings even though they are 50% milk and so on. I am not a self-proclamed "know it all" but in my opinion you would be better off finding a species of snake that you really like and experiment with genes and create something really cool, there is enough "jungle" corns and the like out there.

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

there is nothing about hybridizing reptiles that i like. however, just as humans have hybridized almost every type of animal that has been captively propagated, so shall they do it with reptiles. it is part of mans desire to manipulate their environment. my vote is NO hybrids. however, my vote doesn't count. rusty

i am a person who is pro hybrid but responses like yours are the ones i like to see from the other side of the fence. you spoke your opinion without putting down others opinions or trying to provoke further arguement. i myself get sucked in time to time into these and sometimes cant help trying to defend my choice but have been trying to get away from that.
thank you for having an honest thoughtful response
adam jeffery
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"CARLOS MENCIA FOR EL PRESIDENTE"
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

It is not difficult to do, but why would you want to do it. Herpetoculture is being over-run with captive bred mutts or hybrids. Just look at the KS Classifids....nowdays there is an over-abundance of these snakes being offered and at rather high prices. In my humble opinion they are worth a lot less than pure animals. My real concern is that some of these hybrid snakes find their way into circulation as something that they are not and then some breeder ends up using them as breeder stock and unknowingly passes off their offspring as being pure animals. In my opinion we would be wise to pride ourselves in producing pure bloodlines, but there are people out there who will produce these weird looking junk animals just to make a buck.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
www.southwesternherp.com

if you look under the forum main page in general topics their is a hybrid section and you will more than likely get better responses. also their are pages out their that can help explain the process. also just look in the archives here on ks
adam jeffery
"mutts are always better"
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"CARLOS MENCIA FOR EL PRESIDENTE"
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

Take the hybrid question to the hybrid forum but if you have other milksnake questions please throw them out here.
Jeff

I would love to hear from a breeder who has had a project “ruined” by finding out his line was not correctly represented. Please detail the hatchling that spoiled all your hard work, and what became of your animals. I guess if you lost all your money and can’t afford an internet connection we’ll never know. Maybe you know of this happening to someone? Urban myth?

P.S. to bms619,
You need a couple of pairs of each. Obviously the closer the relation of the two snakes the easier. You basically swap the females in their cages so the male “smells” the other one. You can keep the same type female in a small Tupperware container right in the cage for the scent, but the male only has the target female to breed to. You have to trick them, or get them to the point they will mate with a sock. Again, some will easily breed anything, the easier it is for the male to tell the difference, the more trickery needed. Best stick to the hybrid forum for questions about this sort of thing. There’s a lot of tricks.

Thankyou.finally an answer to a question that intrigues me; what prevents these matings in the wild where these animals intergrade? Instead of an answer im generating an ethical argument, and the assumption that I'm ploting something sinister.....Amazing how nature works, but that these breedings can ocur under controled circumstances

I am sure there will come a day when someone can buy a corn, bull,milk,king etc,etc etc, all in one snake. It seems that in Boa Constrictors anything is fair game to produce the next "it" snake. I guess since most kings and corns are a dime a dozen
(thats next year) who should care about the purity of the breed.
It seems that it is the novice that want to try a frankenstein experiment and produce a lucrative outcome. I for one would hate to be responsible for "downgrading" a species to Mutt status.

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

Frankenstein was 100% human being. Your “mutt” obsession is ironic. It’s the pure breed dog that is the man made creation. Man has never actually created any of these snakes. They were closely enough related in the first place to make the breeding possible. Nature is in many ways very random and stupid. Some of the products are unsuccessful and doomed. Man can strive to be better, but will often have equally bad results.

I would hardy call me stating my opinion a couple of times on cross-breeding snakes an obssesion or ironic but if that makes you feel good, great. It's common knowledge on the lineage of dog breeds and the refinement into the distinct breeds there are today,but this is not a dog forum. Most everyone here knows and understands evolution and that snakes branched out and morphed into unique shapes and colors predicated by their enviroment. I Believe there would be few posters here that would think a Celaenops X Blanchardi X Amaura X Campbelli X Holbrooki would be upscale. Bottom line is it does not matter what I think, I'll just do my best not to introduce what I see as junk into my collection..............

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

Its easy...Like another poster said, you need to trick the Male by having another Female nearby, or even better her "lived in" cage. I am often amused by the people on here that are against this...I breed Hondurans to Cal Kings and then release them into the wild each year, several dozen at a time. I always wanted more colorful snakes in Southern California, and this is my way to help out.