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I'm sure this is probably an ignorant question, but could someone give a quick breakdown of the difference between: sable, black pastel, and cinnamin, because I'm sure I don't know enough about the genetics, but at a glance they just look the same to me.
I would appreciate the free education.

when bred together black pastels or cinnys produce a black/dark brown solid colored snake. when sables are bred together they produce something like a extreme hypermelanistic extreme granite looking thing (that's the best I can describe it).
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a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

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The Black Pastels and The Cinny Pastels are different lines of a very similar mutation....makes a solid patternless dark (almost black) super. These two lines seem to be compatable so far...

As for the Sables are quite different from the cinnys and the black pastels...However, I personally think that Super Sables, Super Chocolates, Super Granites and the Ebony are all very closely related.
Similar to how in the platinum complex of balls...each different member of the complex has a white super form.

I would call snakes like Sables, Chocolates, Granites and the Ebony members of the Coco Complex.

(Different from the Cuckoo Complex... which might require medication.
...Anyone who has been reading this board long enough will eventually contract the cuckoo complex.) LOL.

Well, Thats my take anyway.

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Thanks for the replys, so really what separates them is what super results from breeding.