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Ok this is what I have 2.2 het albino, 1.1 het caramel albino, 0.1 Albino, 1.1 het orange ghost, 1.1 Pastels, and 1.0 cinnamon. Im getting ready to spend about $1000 more for my last purchase for a while. First Im going to breed the pastel female to the male cinnamon. The rest will probably get bred as usual het to albino het to 0.2 het albino. het ghost to het ghost and so on. What does everyone recommend I purchase? I have a male pastel just sitting so Im going to get like 3 normal females for him. Then I have the cinnamon male which I will probably get 3 normal females for him also! Any recomendations on what to get? I was thinking spiders but I'm not exactly sure! All your input will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you!!

Lesser or spider and mojave.

The Spider and Mojave are Dom genes correct? I just want to get something that can go with what i already have and something else. Like I said I have a male pastel just sitting around whats best to get for him??

Any female for the male pastel really. I think him to a het ghost might not be a bad idea. Pastels 50% ghost... holdback a male and breed back to mom.... maybe get a pastel ghost if your lucky?? but i tend to be more of a gambler...

But if you have 1k to spend i think it would be wise to buy a pair of het clowns... it the future with the potential for ghost clowns and albino clowns and pastel clowns.. i dont think that would be a bad idea... but it depends if you want more immediate results or not.

There's too many possibilities!!!

Gotta love the Clown combos!

I was saying a spider female and a mojave female. You could create from the spider to pastel, bumblebees, spiders, pastels, and normals. You could create from the mojave to the pastel, pastaves, mojaves, pastels, and normals. Spider is a domanant gene, with no super form. The Mojave is a Codom gene, with a super form (the blue eyed lucy.) My first choice would be the lesser thou. I just went to NERD's facility and saw some of their crosses with the lesser, and was amazed. The queen bee is AWESOME... Also with the lesser, you can create the blue eyed lucy (super form.)What are you pairing up with you albino female. The spider albino looks great... Hope this helps.

Get a female fire. Look at this fireball pastel produced by Brandon Boeke of Priceless Pythons. I have seen her in person and she is DYNOMITE!

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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

I want that. Gimme!
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Ryan Sherman
Scottsdale, Arizona

or you can get a vanilla and do close to the same and then more. You can only go so far with a fire, the vanilla offers you a super that won't take all the color away but make it even more intense. here is a vanilla pastel and super vanilla pastel produced by gulf coast reptiles. (the super vanilla pastel is pre-shed and hopefully in a few days I can get an updated pic from GCR to show).

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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

"the vanilla offers you a super that won't take all the color away but make it even more intense."

The top animal looks pretty washed out, not more intense. It looks like it got erased.

The vanilla makes some neat combos, but it shouldn't be paired with things that are already really light colored as they get washed out and faded. IMO anyway...
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~* Jen *~

Pink Lady Constrictors

that pic was right out of the egg. Let's see what it looks like aftet it has shed and grown a little, I'm sure you will be pleasantly suprised.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

NP

What about those striped retic pics from Celia? That was awesome and was still in its first shed when I saw it. We need to go have a beer. I might be out there in a couple of weeks.
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

Pastels are overbred and don't really sell or have much trade value anymore unless they're super nice -- especially males. You have to think about what you're going to do with the babies once you produce them...unless you're going to keep them all or have a retailer lined up to buy them all at wholesale cost. I would do one (or maybe 2 if your girls are small and may not give many eggs) clutches of pastels just to have the experience and see some babies...same with the cinny. That way you can hold back the ones you want and don't have too many to try to sell/trade off.

If you want immediate results, I would use your money to get something else that isn't as common as those -- like a lesser or butter. Those babies still sell/trade really well and you can use them to get other morphs that you don't have yet. Or you could go with a spider or mojave -- they're common like cinnies, but not quite as common as pastels and still do pretty well. Just be very selective in what you buy -- don't settle for an ugly or mediocre animal just because its cheaper. Hold out for the nicest one you can find -- and it will pay off because selective breeding often produces much nicer babies, which in turn have more appeal to other people that would want them.

Personally, I would use your money to get into a recessive trait that not every joe shmoe is working with -- buy a pair of het pieds, het clowns, het caramels, or het g-stripes. It may take you 2-3 years to see any results from them, but it will be WELL worth it as they hold onto their value pretty well, and make some very cool combinations. If you've seen the albino clown and killer (super pastel) clown, you'll know what I'm talking about. Think about what you want to see hatching -- and base your projects around that goal.

The biggest thing to remember is that this isn't a way to get rich -- mass production isn't the way to go. Get into projects that you really like and would like to work with -- not ones that you think are going to make big bucks or are easy and fast. Be happy if you break even and can make the hobby pay for itself or allow you to trade what you produce to get other animals that you want. If you make a couple extra bucks, then that'd be cool...but don't count on it so you don't end up disappointed.

This is just my advice based on what I would do (and am doing currently). Take it at face value and do what YOU want to do and think is best.
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~* Jen *~

Pink Lady Constrictors

Thanks for all the input!! It is very helpful and appreciated. Everything I have bought already is pretty much what I have always wanted to see hatch out. I think the Spider and Mojave female is what I will go for. I wanted both of those so that is probably the route I will go. I never new a pastel bred to a spider gets you bumblebees!!! AWESOME I LOVE em!!!!! Thanks again guys and girls. Its always nice to get good responses shows people still care LOL!!!

good advice. but you must realize that almost everyone working with bp's have albinos and pieds as well. the price on albinos has dropped right along with super pastels (or even lower than super pastels) which are just as hard to produce as the recessives and the het version is prettier than a normal. Which do you think would be easier to get rid of for $100 to the average person, a pretty pastel or a het albino male?
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I didn't bring het albinos up anywhere in my response -- because like you said, albinos are becoming very common and again, tough to sell what you produce. Pieds are common, but still sell pretty well and although they have dropped this year, are still holding a fair pricetag and trade value. Even if a pied goes for $1K (cash or trade), that is still far more than a pastel would go for and that means the ability to get something else you would like to work with. There are way more pastels and mojaves out there than pieds, clowns, g-stripes, caramels, etc.

The recessives I mentioned were in terms of producing combos with the traits he already owns -- not just by themselves.

For me personally, I try to remember that there will be living animals needing homes in the end of all of this -- it isn't all about making money or trading off or seeing a bunch of eggs in the incubator. I love my spider and my mojave, I think they're stunning examples of their traits -- but I'm not about to make 5 clutches of each because I don't want that many babies added to an already oversaturated market -- I'd end up having to sit on them or sell cheaply to stores or wholesalers, where they may end up as novelty purchases by some kid in a pet shop that really doesn't know anything about them nor care because they only spent $50 on it. I plan to make 2 clutches of each -- and based on the general odds I should get, all or almost all of the visual offspring are already spoken for as payment for web design that is currently in the works. That's really the only reason I'm breeding them -- because I already know where they're going. One mojave clutch is a dinking project -- and I feel that the mojave trait would really bring out the dinking trait if it proves to be genetic. I don't expect others to agree with me or feel the same, I know I'm probably a big minority. I just don't want it to be my fault that a bunch of animals exist without a purpose or that are unwanted -- it already happens too often with cats and dogs.

Sorry, bit of a tirade there...
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~* Jen *~

Pink Lady Constrictors

Ok Jen, I'll take one of each. LOL In reality even if you sold them as low as 200 each for visuals, that would mean more people could afford one.

That was in reference to the overabundance of normals, not so much the visuals.
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~* Jen *~

Pink Lady Constrictors

I know. JK with u

i think you should put all of them in the same enclosure for a week after cooling.

that would make an exiting hatching season.

some hets might get sold as normals but if you only do it for one season you wont lose too much money
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jake barney

my addiction:
1.1 ball pythons
0.2.1 corns
1.0 cal king
0.0.1 wc garter

LOL yea that would be interesting!!! I think I would need a pretty large enclosure for them!!!! Who knows though!