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Look at what I hatched out today!!!!!
The most AWSOME brooksi I ever saw

Cool looking... what sort of parents did he hatch from?

On another note, it looks dead in those pictures?

I can assure you its very much alive!!!
It was from flame brooksi dbl het for B&W (not NE axanthic) and hypo.

I think you just produced a Ghost Flame? Does a ghost have to be axanthic?
Isn’t it possible to be anerythristic ghost instead of axanthic ghost? (hypo/anerythristic instead of axanthic/hypo typical “ghost”?)
It looks even better the more I checked it out!!

Thats what I believe
See the post below for more info

I'm so excited I forgot to thank you!
Thanks!!!

I think you just produced a Ghost Flame? Does a ghost have to be axanthic?
Isn’t it possible to be anerythristic ghost instead of axanthic ghost? (hypo/anerythristic instead of axanthic/hypo typical “ghost”?)
It looks even better the more I checked it out!!

NO! It is defintely NOT a Ghost Flame. Ghost Flame have been produced many times over. There is no such thing as the visual from the high red "Flame" homozygot will still come out like a regual ghost. It IS a hypo. I am pretty sure I know whats going on. I can explain more once I get the proper info on the parents.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Please tell me!! - I have never seen a hypo like this before!

ZSee my response below. I beleive it is the anery you used has an effect on the hypo gene. Much like the Golden Peanut Butters have the anery bllod in there but are not part of the visual anery but instead the anery blood that you used has this effect.

This is why I love hets, possible hets, triple hets ect ect . It is the way to get new stuff.

I can't wait to see what all the other siblings look like . That will give a bigger picture and tell a better story. Pleeease post them even if you think they are not pretty.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Wow! Karl, beautiful snake. I keep forgetting that you're not strictly Pits! Hope you guys aren't in any dangers w/ the fires.

reako45

Very nice. Please PLEASE Post pics of the parents and any info. Need more info.

At first glance I thought that it may have come from a hypo brooks X eastern or Hypo x goini. But it doesn't look like anything I have seen before.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

A friend of mine bought a pair of flame brooks - bred them - they throw these B&W babies that appear to be different from NE axanthic or BHB anery - he bred one to a hypo - I bought a trio of dbl het babies - this is what I believe to be the dbl homo - there's 6 more left to hatch - so we'll see what comes out

pic of the male - females look the same

I’m going to laugh when you and EddieF hook up and Belle produces these!!!

A friend of mine bought a pair of flame brooks - bred them - they throw these B&W babies that appear to be different from NE axanthic or BHB anery - he bred one to a hypo - I bought a trio of dbl het babies - this is what I believe to be the dbl homo - there's 6 more left to hatch - so we'll see what comes out

Its real hard to decifer what you have by what you wrote.

Let me see if i can get this straight.

Your friend bought a pair of "hypo" Flames and he produced anerys? Or did he buy normals that were unkown double het for ghost?

I assume you bought a pair of normals from him and they are possible hets? If so, I assume you raised them up and this is what came out, correct?

Was the anerys (B&W) anything like this?

I think I can explain to you whats going on with the genetics to get such a nice high red hypo. But first I will wait for your reply to see if I understood what you wrote.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

They were sold to him as normal flames but they turned out to be het for some kind of B&W (no they do not look like the one in your pic)I'll send you a pic of one once it comes out of the egg. He bred one of the B&W offspring to a hypo and I got a trio of the dbl het babies which produced the snake in the first post.

They were sold to him as normal flames but they turned out to be het for some kind of B&W (no they do not look like the one in your pic)I'll send you a pic of one once it comes out of the egg. He bred one of the B&W offspring to a hypo and I got a trio of the dbl het babies which produced the snake in the first post.

Okay.. by normal Flames you mean "het for nothing" and not a "hypo" Flame. A lot of people associate the Flame as a hypo so I wanted to be clear on that part.

A similar thing happened with my triple het Peanut Butter x anery x lavenders. The Peanut Butters came out completly different from anything I have seen before. I call them Golden Peanut Butters. Based on the information you have given me, I think what happned here is the same thing that happened with my animals. Everything that I have combined with that particular anerythristic gene will redden up. It seems to work especially well when cobined with the hypo gene and Peanut Butter gene.

This is a normal Peanut Butter.

Combined with the anery here is what happened to the Peanut Butter.

This is still a Peanut Butter . But the anery blood causes a lot of red abberancies. You seem to have the same line of anery in those double hets babies you raised up.

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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Hypos have yellow anerys have white (or some sort of light color) what do you think happened to the light color?

Hypos have yellow anerys have white (or some sort of light color) what do you think happened to the light color?

Again I am having a hard time decifering your posts. Is this a statement, a question? Punctuation would help. I am not trying to be sarcastic. I honestly can't tell what you are writing. I am ezcited for you but to get to the bottom of this you will have to communicate better.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Will yo send me your phone # I'll call you I'm very curious to know what you think! PM me please and I'll call you right now!

Its kinda late here. I emailed you an hour ago so we could take this to private email but never heard back.

If you did not get it email using the contact button.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

WOW... that is a super nice Snake!

Flames are one of my Favorite Phenotypes!

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

Flames are one of my Favorite Phenotypes!

Zenny that pic I posted is not a Flame and not a hypo. It is a Peanut Butter with the anery trait combined. The difference is the red will not fade like they do on a hypo or normal Flame. I will bet the hypo he just produced will retain the red a lot more than a red hypo.

Here is a pic of a Flame hypo I took at a reptile show in Birmingham last weekend. It was on someones table. It's in the blue.

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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

So what do you think the snake I produced is?
It's definitely hypo and something else - incomplete anery?
Or it just cant be explained yet?

I think I already answered that question.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

i know what the snake in the pic you posted is, i was the 1st one you showed pix to when that clutch hatched and i think i helped you figure out what exactly it MAY be... i don't think it expressed the ANERY gene at all... are we forgetting what the Anery genes does? it TAKES AWAY RED doesn't enhance it... i think it's just

The may how ever be a HYPER mutation floating around in Floridana... ever notice some Hypos are super dark/black and some are bright/glowing without a speck of black anywhere?

Lastly you shouldn't picked up that hypo... looks like the sides are patternless... i'm actually looking for a patternless side hypo... hopefully next season!

~Z
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Royal ReptileZ

I think it just a extremely high red PB...

AND

Their may how ever be a HYPER mutation...

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

I think it just a extremely high red PB...

Their may how ever be a HYPER mutation...

There are no new traits Zenny. Its also not a Peanut butter gene. Its not that common and not many people have them. I bred most of them and I know whats out there. But I know what you are thinking., The lav on that snake is lighter than a hypo and I see that as well. But the anery trait is what is causing all that. Also i would bet the snake will look quite a bit darker after it sheds 2-3x and the melanin comes in.

Thisis just a hypo mixed with the anery gene. I have seen this happen in my florida kings for a while now but thought it was to complicated for people to understand since most don't have these traits in their collection and then hardly anyone crosses to create new mutations. Also people are not interested in newer stuff like this unless they can actaully "feel" and "touch". I have many similar things happening in my collection and i find it best to keep it a secret. This one I just had to come out and give away.

I think it is quite clear what happened with the Goldens. Its also going on with anything the anery gene touches. Same thing with the Peabinos. . If you bred a lav to a Peanut Butter you would get a very different looking Peabino because the anery gene is not involved.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

HAd a few typos of my own. HA HA !

Wanted to say that the snake looks like it has a lighter black and that is because when morph brooksi hatch they don't always have all the black pigment avliable. That is something that comes with time. The black on that snake will be black and not lavender like on a Peanut butter. Peanut Butters have a more distinct lavender in place of the black.

Another reason it looks light is the pre-shed condition. Fantastic snake. I really like the red head, unusual blotches and overall red color. I bet this one will retain more red into adulthood because of the anery blood. After it sheds it will probably be glowing so bad it will hurt my eyes. YA!
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Breed the unusually red ones to an axanthic and see if they're het.

I would bet $20 it has blood corn snake genes in it. Thats cool because you could list it in the corn snake classifieds too!

Send me a shed - we'll do up the DNA...

Joe

I haven't been doing Florida kings as long as you have but i don't think you're on the right track...

as far as i've seen the BHB line Anery Floridana "dirties up" mutations not enhance the red coloration... the normals from the bhb line anerys are pretty drab as well.

ANERY = NO RED... why would u think ANERY = ENHANCED RED ??? i don't get it?

With the original snake pictured... all i see is an extremely nice Flame/Hi-red hypomelanistic not a 2x mutation

With your "Goldens" ... i don't see the anery gene at work at all... if it were they wouldn't be red...

all u can do with the goldens is wait till they are big enough to breed and test breed them to a PB, a Hypo (and if you're still convinced) an Anery

Now you say there are "No new traits" i think you are making reference to my theory of a HYPER mutation out there, i never said it was new... i said it was "floating around" in other words it is present in the gene pool but hasn't been isolated as yet...

"WE" have been playing around with these genes for soooo long and "WE" still don't understand them all... i'm not dismissing anything with floridana morphs because i don't think they are all as simple as we think they are.

~Z
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Royal ReptileZ

That animation rocks!

Unfortunately i can't take the credit for it... i found it online and couldn't help but stare at it for ever!

~Z
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Royal ReptileZ

Looks really cool, but after it sheds it might loose that purpleish sheen I see in the pictures on my screen. Hope you have more of them, and keep us posted!

That snake is GORGEOUS!

Congrats on an Awesome hatch!

What else popped out of that clutch?

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

There were 4 eggs from 1 female and 4 eggs from the second.
The 1st snake out of the 1st clutch was the one in the 1st post. The second one to pip is a B&W but it has not emerged. The other 2 should pip soon - hopefully by tomorrow. The second clutch should start to hatch by the end of the week. I'll try to post pics when they do.

That's definately a killer looking snake.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/22

Well it's not the dbl homo (ghost)- out of the 4 eggs there was 1 normal - 1 B&W - the red one in the original post - and a dbl homo (ghost)the ghost was dead in the egg - I don't know if it's just a hypo or something more - only time and more breedings will tell - I have another clutch of 4 eggs from dbl het x dbl het (same male and sibling to the female that produced the snake in the original post)due to hatch in about a week - so we'll see what comes out
Thanks to everyone who posted!

He's beautiful. I hope he eats well for you. Please post another picture after his first shed. I'd love to see a lavender version with that awesome pattern. ^_^ Ah... I'm just too obsessed with purple.
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Holly

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