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Is it that my pastel hatchling female is getting uglier with age or is it that I keep comparing her to my female super pastel? I know the supers are brighter, but my pastel is a calm nice little girl, yet growing uglier with age. I want to breed her in the future. Should I try selling her and buying a pretty one or do all pastels get sort of browner with age? Thank you

MOST pastels get browner with age... but some stay real nice. Ugly pastels can produce real nice ones so I wouldn't sell her.. just breed her to a nice male
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globalreptiles.ca

...ugly parents produce ugly babies, and a very nice pastel bred to a ugly pastel will only get you average pastels. if you want the best babies you MUST start with the best stock.
joe

I agree with you Joe but it just doesn't always happen that way. A friend of mine bred a real ugly pastel male to a very normal female and produced some seriously stunning pastels.
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globalreptiles.ca

If you want the best looking babies, I would start with the best looking MALE, but, if you have an average looking female Pastel, I would keep her, and breed a STUNNING male Spider, Pastel, Cinn, or whatever too her. I looked for a long time for a REALLY nice looking Albino male, and finally found one.

Dave

that is one hot albino dave. i like the banding, and her color looks excellent! here is the ghost female i picked up recently. sorry for the busy pic. in the pic you will see my friend marc, his huge beer belly, his daughter holding the ghost, his holding a hey pied, and a very gassy bulldog.
joe

You do indeed need to start with the best stock... You could get away with a nice cinny or black pastel to your 'ugly' female pastel and it should still get a good looking pewter but otherwise it makes a big difference. Even if you breed to a nice spider your going to get bumblebees that brown out at 500g or so...

IMO lemon pastels are pretty much the best... I spent the extra money for a lemon female and she has kept her yellow quite nicely. i cant wait to see the bumblebees i can make with her!

I hatched out a male pastel 4 years ago that was just decent looking. At 18 months he wasn`t very colorful at all. The past two years he has sired knockout pastels(along with some just ok). My male was bred to extra nice normals and i`m sure that had something to do with it. But an average pastel CAN produce very nice babies. But i would reccomend going with a higher quality male pastel as they typically will produce nicer offspring when bred to any females.

Most pastels don't brown out, but poorly bred ones will. Buy selectively bred pastels and do the same yourself and you will have beautiful babies that you will be proud to have in your racks or in your displays. This is our founding male pastel and at 1000g he is awesome and the babies he throws when bred to light colored females are just as good as he is.

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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

In my opinion selective breeding is going to be the future of Ball Pythons. Just like in Leopard Geckos the high-end animals are going to have to be great looking and not just have a lot of different morphs in them. Here is an example.

This,

bred by this,

produced this.

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Albey Scholl
Albeys Too Cool Reptiles
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Well said in a Nut Shell ... I have been doing it for years I think most of us posting know whats a good outstanding Animal. And what to do with some of our good Reduced, very clean. or wild looking stuff ,We breed those to certain Animals to get the best we can out of that certain Morph... Best Of Luck to ALL this 08 Season.

Oyea that is one very Nice Albino Dave one of the best ive seen.. And that Ghost female looks very nice too Joe

VanCanDo

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