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I posted pics of him before but they wern't good, Bluerosy you asked about the belly but, I didn't understad exactly what you ment, and by the time I posted belly pics the thread was so far gone, I never got a reply.
I'm planing on breeding him next year and wold like to know as much as possible about him, based on what he looks like.
Please help, I don't live in the USA and don't have any one to turn to for help, so any Info on this animal would be a great help.
Thanks.

Belly

that looks like a nice yellow hypomelanistic brooksi. It is typical of some of the first hypos I remember seeing, but now many have red-orange bands and aberrant patterns.
You used to be able to tell the bloodline origin of some hypos by looking at their belly pattern. One breeder's hypos had patternless ventral scales, while other breeders' animals retained the crescent shaped checkerboard pattern typically seen on normal/ wild type floridana.
I hope this helps, any one else feel free to fill in what I may have missed.

daveb

I agree,Dave.
When we'd look over the babies we'd often look for the cleanest bellies in hopes they would turn out the lightest as adults.
The male here,

is from Len Krysko's line and though he's nice and light yellow, when paired with a similar female
like this one

they produce red offspring like this..

By selectively keeping the reddest (or yellowest) you can end up with some very nice hypos I think.
:Mark

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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Hypos sure opened Pandora's box,hahaha.
I remember the days before there was more candy than the shelf could hold. Those days were good. I wonder what its like to be discovering kings as pets today- the same process or something over a different hill...

by the way, how'd you find that link? It was pretty good...hisss bonk! hisssssssss bonk! Do you think he/it learned or reacted?

daveb

What part of europe are you from that you obtained that hypo?

It is obvious there is a unique line you have that probably made it over there or to Canada or where ver you are at. All probably from outcrossing to new Florida king blood. That changes the line appearance and one cannot tell which line it came from.

My first thought was it looked like a Love stock with the patternless belly. But after seeing the belly it has a few flecks but not enough to mark it a Beard stock. What it does have is what I call bone white head. Basically means less pattern than what we frequestly see. Especially as it pertains to neonates since most hypos lose the pattern on the head after they reach into the 7 and up age.

I recently started acquiring more hypos with less pattern on the head from unkown lines and they also have some patternless traits thing going on the sides. Not like a Whitesided but still different. Yours does not seem to have that. So my best guess it may have come from that (unkown to me) line that is floating around with the more bone white head or patternless head . Probably a result of outcrossing to another phenotype that caused this. Since I think you are overseas a smaller gene poll has developed and its interesting to see what comes out from your end of the world.

This is probably closer to the line you have:

Len Krysco Flame hypo:

Love line hypo . This was one of the original males I purchased for $700. . No pattern on the belly. This snake is a male and probably close to six feet in this picture.

Sorry I don't have a Beard stock picture to show you right now but here are some other neonate hypos just to look at.

This is a hypo Florida crossed with another getula. Anyone want to guess what this is a combo of?

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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

What are the details of the different lines of hypo? There’s the Beard, Love and Krysko. Are these all traced back to the same thing or are they really separate? Is it the Beard line that shows the faint stripe thing sometimes? Are Kenny’s and Loves the same thing? That rescue Brooks is a very nice hypo, it would be fascinating to see where these things end up in the world and what kind of breedings have been done there. Hey bluerosy, that picture with the fat little Brooks with it’s head hidden under the coil is the worst picture- but it’s my favorite one! (Is it the same snake as the first picture?)

At one time or another I've spoken to all 3 in detail about the origins of their hypos. I shared tables with Doug B 10 days ago at the Chicago NARBC show and as you can imagine, I did pester him for details one more time. It really does appear that they all came up with them independently. But all 3 turned out to be compatible genetically (the snakes I mean, not the people).

CrimsonKing, do you remember how Len had all those 5 digit numbers on all his snakes cages? The first two digits were always the year they hatched. His male that later proved to be het for hypo was #XX028 (nicknmaed "The Banana" no first 2 digits because it was wild-caught. Some would also have their canal number listed too. I took lots of notes about ancestry but the photos were all pre-digital era. I was lucky in that for the first couple years he had that snake I picked out some of it's nicest offspring. I just wanted real good brooksi and had been burned on some prior purchases (from other breeders) when I didn't see the parents and the offspring never lightened up to my satisfaction. After the first hypos showed up I realized many of my previous purchases must be possible-hets and begged to by one of the first male hypos. Unfortunately I made the common mistake of getting rid of most of the normals that didn't produce hypo offspring ($400 vs $50 for the offspring).
Females #92009 and #93167 are still producing but I assume are nearing the end. How old can getula reproduce?
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Lindsay Pike
Urotopia Uromastyx

Linsay,

I knew that the Lve , Beard and Krysco lines were seperate but allelic traits. What I meant by the hypos popping up all over the place was from the LOVE line. They sold unkown hets.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Aye no u gnu.

Don't forget to mention that all those you did mention have traded and bought from each other too. Just as you have several lines, so did they. And many were mixed to try and get the "ultimate" hypo. Just because you/we buy from a known breeder doesn't mean that particular snake is from "their" lines.
FWIW his name is spelled (Len) Krysko.
Anyway, he has had almost solid white snakes as well. Some had patternless heads too.
Most are in the collection of a fellow forum regular now.
My Love line hypo female and my Beard line female both had some belly markings. Not all were patternless or with pattern/specks.
From a given clutch you may expect a variety there (belly) also.
A friend in Germany says his came from Mark Bell who does shows in Europe as do quite a few American companies.
Whose line is it anyway??

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Thanks I noticed the Kenny/Len thing right away...oops. I’m hoping bluerosy has a couple of beers and types one of his classic long posts! I’ll bet he could trace them all back to the roots. All I know (which isn’t much) the Love’s were always considered something of the source for really good locality “Brooks Canal” stock from way back. They certainly had the chance to pick the lightest and lighter for breedings, and there is when popped the first hypo. It seemed like over night there were the others too. Seems to me unless somebody field collected one, then they are all probably Love line from buying Brooks from Glades herp. I’m sure the first hypo led to finding every available Brooks to make hets asap, so the line probably got diversified right from the start, but I don’t know...Of course all bets are off now, but it would be cool to see a line that was exported that maybe has remained somewhat less mixed like this rescue Brooks from wherever.

Len has explained to me and others how his hypos came about.
(A wc male bred back to one of his daughters)
They (originally) were not related to the other lines.
(email me for details on that if you want)
The others' I don't know too much about.
I'm glad Bluerosy keeps up with all this stuff,really. I'm way too lazy and stupid to do it for long.
His input has helped lots of people I bet.

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Seems to me unless somebody field collected one, then they are all probably Love line from buying Brooks from Glades herp. I’m sure the first hypo led to finding every available Brooks to make hets asap, so the line probably got diversified right from the start, but I don’t know..

Before the hypos popped out the Loves were selling "unkown" hets to people and thats why they started popping up all over the place in other people collections.

The Loves also sold my friend the first unkown het Peanut Butters. Three years later he went back and bought all the unkown hets off their table. The Loves assign a letter and number to their snakes so they can trace were the babies came from . It was easy to pick out all the ones with the same lineage that the Peanut Butters came from.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Peanut butter is something you eat. Jelly is something you put on peanut butter. There is no such thing as "brooksi," or the "National Brooks Expo." Sorry...

And Brian is probably just one color...

Don't forget to mention that all those you did mention have traded and bought from each other too. Just as you have several lines, so did they.

I bought my hypos from the Loves and Berards back when they first came out and did any crossing of lines. Also i never outcrossed them. The Krysco line I didn't bother with till much later so I don't know much about his. He always asked to much for his.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I eant to say I did NOT do any outcrossing of the Beard and Krysco lines.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Freud would probably say that you actually meant to say:

"I did many outcrossing of the Beard and Krysco lines"

But what did Freud know?

joe

In 2002 I sold about a dozen or so brooksi of various morphs to a guy from Holland. I don't know his name and never thought to ask. He purchased all animals from me in Daytona that year and said he was headed to Europe.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

When I had ads in the reptile magazines, I got a postcard from a breeder in South Africa asking about all sorts of brooksi morphs. Not one of those scam emails, but a legit inquiry. I had zero info on exporting, so i referred him to some bigger breeders. I hope he got his snakes.

hey..... wait a minute,.....maybe this guy bred all the brooksi to BALLS and THAT'S where all those morphs came from!!!!!!!

daveb

Those hypos are sexy! did you sneak a peanut butter in those pics!
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Life moves pretty fast, if you dont stop and look around once and a while,... you could miss it.

As long as you have a digital camera and an internet connection, there are lots of people here that will gladly offer whatever help we can. You never did say where you are, does the newspaper in the background give a hint? Please let us know where you are and is it difficult to find other hypo Brooks for your planned breeding?

Thanks for all the great info and help everyone.
Bluerosy you realy went out of your way to help thanks a lot.
I live in Taiwan, and it's not easy to find another hypo for a mate, I have a goini and a very dark Florida king. for next year.
Most of the US snakes imported from Hong Kong as far as I know, but with the financial boom in China I'm seeing less and less new snakes comming in.
Here a pic of a King of sorts. King rat.
Thanks again all