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I just bought two babies from a guy today for $25 each, and he said the parents were pastels. He did not have the parents there, as they are his daughters, but the babies did not look like what I imagine pastels to look like. I would think that they would be...well...pastel, I guess. Instead, these 5 week old babies, who are still in partial shed, are a BRIGHT yellow. Like the pictures of the Citrus Beardies that I have seen. Is this normal, will they stay like that, or will they change color? I will try to get pictures of them tomorrow, but I'm not sure if their color will show up. Most of the other siblings were normal color, but these guys just jumped out at me. And the guy says that BOTH the parents are pastel. Input, or pictures of Pastels wanted, please.

Marcy

I'm getting ready to look through my pictures I had 2 pastels, 1 bred, with my yellow sunbust male, most of my babies, came out having very peachy markings, but the yellow stood out also a lot more than what I thought it would..now granted the dad was yellow, but there was also a lot of peach in them too,,I would have to say if they are a bright yellow and healthy you still did good for 25.00 I bet they are cute as a button Show pictures, I'll post pictures in just a few minutes of mine

Well here is a picture of one of the pastels, I don
t know what is going on with the photo gallery, I just uploaded a ton of pictures but yet none of them are there, if you want to e-mail me I can send you some of both the adult pastels I had, and the babies...
pekapup@yahoo.com

Well here is a picture of one of the pastels, I don
t know what is going on with the photo gallery, I just uploaded a ton of pictures but yet none of them are there, if you want to e-mail me I can send you some of both the adult pastels I had, and the babies...
pekapup@yahoo.com

If you hit mystical dragons below I have two Hypo Patels, and one baby hypo pastel cross. A good way to check if yours are full hypo pastels is to check the nails. If they have the clear nails instead of the dark normal colored nails they are hypo pastels, if they have colored they might be half pastels, or have some hypo pastel backround but these hypo pastels where bred to other lines to color up the nails. True hypo pastels carry the genes for the clear nails. On my pics page Buddy is full Hypo pastel from Sandfire, and Kami is from Dachiu Pastels. Kiya is a half hypo pastel so she shows the normal colored nails. They are one of my favorite lines/or morphs. I just love them.
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Mystical Dragons

Here's one of our Hypo Pastels, Most of ours have dark nails. Any colored dragon can have clear nails, one, two or all of them. It's just another trait.
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Liz

I might be off with the cross but if I'm not mistaken you got that from crossing a red sandfire to a redfame and one came out light. You posted and someone said it looked like a hypo pastel and the name stuck. To me that is not a hypo pastel by any means that's a redflame X sandfire. Look at any of the big breeders selling these hypo pastels. Every single one of them has the clear nail trait unless it was outbred to another colored dragon. This is what I find interesting about these or in any case ones with the clear nails breed it to another with clear nails and every baby comes out clear. This is why their the true hypo pastels go for more money they are one of the only morphs that will breed true.
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Mystical Dragons

Well, you've seen all the different colored dragons posted here as hypo-pastels. Kind of defeats the purpose of the whole "name game" doesn't it?
All of the offspring from our Hypo Pastels grow out to look strikingly similar to the parents. A very light colored dragon, with pale shades of peach, yellow, and pink - sometimes lavender sidebarring. It's the overall look we were going for, and we never gave a hoot about the nails. Sure, we get a few with clear nails. Some from the Hypo Pastel breeding, and some from the reds, some from the oranges, golds, yellows, etc.
Just another trait that pops up in awhile, like everything else.

If fact - one would think that there would have to be some SERIOUS inbreeding taking place to yeild entire clutches of white dragons with clear nails, (esp. in a few year's time.)
Yeah! Just what we need in this country - even more screwed up dragons with kinked tails that walk on their wrists....

BTW, (wouldn't want to go off topic, or anything.)
Here's a juvenile, different dragon than the one above.
Pic is from summer '98

It does defeat the purpose the whole name game escpecially to others who plan to breed. If you agree why add to the confusion there already is. Sandfire/dachiu whoever the first person who made this awesome morph instead of just changing the names found something different and something that could be produced accurately. Not only did these have colors but a trait for clear nails that proves out. Not a couple here and there, but all clear. If any one had the right to change a name on these to hypo pastels they did, not someone with a similar colored dragon that is lacking the differential trait. I don't agree with changing a name period, don't like it, don't agree with it. IMHO. Someone who buys a hypo pastel from you for breeding at what was it 50 bucks thinks they are getting a steal. I did.. It took me three different breeders with the same opinion to make up my mind. If I had a sibling of your stock and bred your pastel to there own Uncle. Uncle to niece would not be a nice outcome. Changing names makes thing very difficult for future breeding. God knows what they infact are.
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Mystical Dragons

In one ear and right out the other...
[and everyone wonders why breeders don't visit the boards anymore.]

Have one day off and other things to do, so whatever tugs at you bobber, there.

dragons are, orange ones are, gold are. To the best of my knowledge no human created these, they are fairly unique to certain areas of Australia, like the reds from the eyre peninsula. Breeders here DID define the color morphs from those that came from wild by selective breeding which in turn produced some of the beautiful pastel colors that are NOT found in their natural habitat. Also, to the best I know, the only colors not in the wild are the whites or snows

Websters defines pastel as: A soft delicate hue; a pale color; Pale and soft in color

Thats what the pastels are, soft pale colors. They are not a line, or species or breed. You can have pastels from non pastels parents or vice versa.

Hypo means light color, less black, not necessarily clear nails, I have seen dragons with light creme nails, tan nails, brown and black, but their colors are pastels, hence to me they are pastels.

Just like some of their eyes are different, this is unique to the area they come from, not a line that will breed true. Mix it and you are liable to and will most likly get a mix of colors.

My parents had light brown and reddish brown hair, I have light brown, a sister has auburn, another sister and brother have dark brown, one has blondish hair and we all have children with a multitude of shades of color....... it is not a line trait, its a mix of genetics and you can get anything.

Yes, almost every color in the rainbow exists in the wild. Thing is these have both color and the nail and breed true. Cross a hypo pastel father with clear nails to a female hypo pastel with clear nails all come out hypo pastel with clear nails. This is why people feel the need to put (with clear nails) next to there hypo pastels cause people stick this name to a dragon showing a pastel colors. I never see orange dragon (with clear nail) ever or any color for that matter. Always hypo pastel (with clear nails). They are different without a doubt. You will never see a hypo pastel walk out of either Sandfire or the Dachiu with colored nails.. Inbreeding?? I don't think so I think rather they breed true and outcrossing can be done without effecting the color of the nails. Maybe why these days we are seeing some orange and red hues in some pastels.
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Mystical Dragons

here are four of our adult(except one) girls, The first ones Sherbert is only 7 months there, just a very big girls so in with the adults.

Sherbert is a hypo pastel, Myst is a pastel(also the ugliest baby we every had) LuLu is a patternless pastel and Sandy is our GG hypo gold.

This is Arnie, he is very hard to get pictures of as he reflects light so much, so we can only photo him in mild light or dark and we never get his true colors. He is GG, with scales larger than our other dragons and they hold several colors, best way I can describe it is like an opal stone, you can actually see through his scales they are a cloudy color of light purples, lemon and pale pink and white, blended together they make a platium color...... very strange color dragon. He is 2 years old in October and we will be breeding him next year for the first time

I just posted 5 pix of Draconis, my Gemfire Pastel in the BD Gallery.

Dragonlord

Here's another...

Dragonlord

And another...

Dragonlord

Another one...

Last one...

Thanks for all the replies. And that is nice to know about the nails. I had seen ads where they mentioned that the nails were clear, but it didn't really mean anything to me. I looked at these guys nails, and they aren't clear, like glass, but they are kind of a yellowish-clear, and the other babies that I had showed BLACK nails. So, I am assuming that their nails are clear. Can someone post a picture that shows well what the clear nails look like? I'm getting excited, lol!

Also, now that I look at them this morning, only one of the dragons that I got has the yellow color, the other one has very light, almost white base color, with normal colored dark markings along his body, and only some splashes of yellow. But, I don't think that one has shed, yet. I will have my mom-in-law take pictures and post them, but I'm sure you all know how hard it is to get the color right in pictures, lol.

Marcy

Hi
on my website you can see photos from a female called wonka.
she is pastel hypomelastic what they told me she have white colord nails.
byeeeeee

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