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Some attitude for little ones,huh?

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 04:31 PM

Well, it started out bad and it got worse....
These two,once finished with their escape ideas, decided that they would both take me on...side by side...ha!
Anyway, I was trying to show differences in two of my anerythristic/anxanthic FL. kings and could never quite get it right...
Maybe next time

Which pic do you prefer? and...which snake do you prefer?

While I'm at it, here's a new addition to my collection...


....a mole king from the FL panhandle...
Hope to pair her up with a similar male..
:Mark

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Surrender Dorothy!

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Replies (27)

Patton Oct 26, 2007 05:02 PM

That's one smokin' Rhombo there Mark! That's a really nice photo too. Keep me informed when more of those become available. The PW Co. pair I got from you are doing great!
-Phil

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 06:55 PM

Will do Phil. I sure like to hear when they are doing well.
I hope to have some nice FL mole kings as well as the VA,GA, and AL ones. SFMK too!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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Patton Oct 26, 2007 07:59 PM

SFMKs too? Should I send my credit card # to you right now?! LOL!
I've only seen one other person working with them. Post more pics every chance you get.
-Phil

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 08:02 PM

Fingers crossed here Phil.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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Patton Oct 26, 2007 08:08 PM

Mark,
Was it you that has some Washington, D.C. Moles?
any pics?
-Phil

justinian2120 Oct 26, 2007 09:14 PM

yeah ditto that on the DC mole kings pic request!let me guess-burgundy blotches and gold background color?


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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 09:19 PM

I haven't had any D.C. mole kings. Let me know when you find 'em!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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DMong Oct 26, 2007 11:35 PM

I love the little attitudes for sure!LOL

It reminds me of my neonate brooksi!

Also, since you mentioned them, I sure wish I still had these occipitolineata from years ago!..........they are really cool animals!.......this female was a real "pig"!!LOL

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Kirashin Oct 26, 2007 05:47 PM

That last pic of the 2 rocks! Very cool

Bluerosy Oct 26, 2007 06:03 PM

Mark,

Thats a nice example of the axanthic and anery gene in neonate Florida kings.

Here is a pic of an anery Florida king and a New England line "brooks" king (both still floridana but the New England line comes from s.Dade county high yellow phenotypes.

This probably an outcrossed Lemke line axanthic. Probably crossed with the darker Florida phenotype. This is what you see a lot of on the classifieds for around $50.:

This is a normal dark Florida king. The higher ed and darker pigments is what probably causes the gene looking more anerythristic. You get the Black and white anerys and the muddy adults anerys from this phenotype:

Another dark phenotype but this one originates closer to s. Florida. Note the absence of the red sides but has the dark rust brown pigment. This type is a great ingredient when crossed into light color reccessive traits like the hypo and Peanut Butter and lavender genes. Then those browns and rust colors come out brilliant red when mixed with thoses genes. But not the aaxanthic/anery gene.

These are New England line axanthics. They are not as blue as the lemke line as neonates but turn much lighter and get a shade of blue as adults:

Hard to tell the strudlties with the neonate axanthic and anery lines , isn't it.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 06:24 PM

The black and white one (right) I posted is from the snow (from DaveB) X 2x het /snow (from you).
The more purple one (left) is from a 2x het/ghost pair..
Did you mean subtleties?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Nokturnel Tom Oct 26, 2007 07:42 PM

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Bluerosy Oct 26, 2007 08:04 PM

Did you mean subtleties?

No I meant strudlties. Brian Hubbs posted below that i speak my own language. So I thought I should just go with it.

You see a Strudle is a german pastry with many layers mixed up. It makes perfect sense to me. Achtung!
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Patton Oct 26, 2007 08:15 PM

Ya! Beer macht frie!
-Phil
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If you Yahoo! my YouTube!

Bluerosy Oct 26, 2007 08:33 PM

Posted by: Patton at Fri Oct 26 20:15:53 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Ya! Beer macht frie!
-Phil

Yawhol! Und yetz muss ich eine freaulein findten. Ich hab einer lange schlange fur sie.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Patton Oct 26, 2007 08:39 PM

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I'll Google your MySpace
If you Yahoo! my YouTube!

justinian2120 Oct 26, 2007 08:55 PM

ahh,the classics....

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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 10:48 PM

...last week you were Moses....this week der fuhrer???
Das glaube ich nicht

Who's next?
With all those colorful snakes, why not (natürlich)
Picasso?

C'mon. Be creative!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

ChristopherD Oct 27, 2007 05:42 AM

Is the in hand pic with the broken pattern snake inherit the broken pattern from the hypo gene ,just a thought since i can only picture a hypo with the broken pattern.
Lets do our part in preserving the true Brooks pattern LOL

fliptop Oct 26, 2007 07:33 PM

Top photo great for showing off the anery, third to show off the axanthic (though I dig the "nostrils" on the anery in that pic).

As for fav of the two: the anerythristic. Awesome specimen! Are these two always this pissy, or was it circumstance?

CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 07:40 PM

Ya know it's only when I get pretty close sometimes that I can see those cool markings. I like that "puppy dog" face spots that look like nostrils or whatever too.
I think they had just about enough of my shenanigans this afternoon and figured to end it soon. When I have an extra pair of hands I'll get a pic that has both in focus..I hope..
On a strange but somewhat related note.. I was photographing a frog when he jumped into the leaf litter below him....when I grabbed the frog and loose leaves I also pulled up a baby ringneck snake I never saw!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Nokturnel Tom Oct 26, 2007 07:40 PM

Hi Mark, both are excellent looking babies. I love all 3 strains/lines or whatever...but the downside to the Anerys is the way they muddy up as adults. Maybe we can change this with some line breeding? Regardless I found my Anery to have a little bit different of a personality. Most of my Florida Kings behave very similar but that Anery of mine seems a bit more inquisitive.........the key word is seems.....
Honestly I like them all the same, I have BHB Anery and Lemke stock here. If some N.E.s fell into my hands I'd gladly keep those too but I am trying to get some multi het projects going for now. I love the last close up of the two and the Mole King is very nice
Tom Stevens
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CrimsonKing Oct 26, 2007 07:47 PM

Thanks. I've never actually tried, with any thought, to collect specimens to "go in a particular direction". I just trade or whatever and hopefully breed the ones I like and once in a while get something I really like. Like others, I sure wish I had kept some of the many I have produced in the past.
FL natives are obvious favorites.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

antelope Oct 27, 2007 12:55 AM

I like the size on the one on the right, but like the looks of the snake on the left. Are you okay, Mark, looks like they were about to deal you the death blow!!! That mole is sweet too! How 'bout an update for me on our matter? I am ready when you are!
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Todd Hughes

CrimsonKing Oct 27, 2007 08:28 AM

email sent.
The one on the right is maybe a month or so older and came out eating whiel the left one was hesitant at first.
I have sibs of both left.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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LloydHeilbrunn Oct 27, 2007 10:42 PM

Nice, Mark!! Both the snakes and the pics.

Glad you finally got the MK....
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

Hollychan Oct 29, 2007 04:14 PM

....a mole king from the FL panhandle...
Hope to pair her up with a similar male..
:Mark

Oooh... Where in the Florida Panhandle? Near my neck of the woods? ^_^
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Holly

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