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I will be breeding pastels, spiders, super pastels, and het pieds. I do not have any normals. Should I? I figure that I will get a few normal looking guys in the het pied breeding(hopefully none, but you cannot assume the best). So should I pick up some normals?If so, how many and what sexes? Thanks

I have co-doms and some recessives, but you need normal females for them to breed to-unless you have the funds to buy all morph females- I'll get there eventually!

Stevo

LoL...I know the feeling!!!

~np

LMAO, I totally know the feeling as well, Steve!!! But I don't mind being the low-dollar man on the totem pole; it can be just as fun down here, and hey, theres always that "someday" to look forward to!
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• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
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Are they normals ? Alot of normal looking balls come from africa every year. That normal looking baby could be the next morph? You will never know unless you put together a dinking project? So you have a normal looking baby you just have a hunch about, You breed it raise the babies and breed it back, only then will you know its true genetics. Im not sugesting buying wild caught , just an observation that needs to be considered. I have a female I bought as an pet from the previous owner that is very light in color, looks carmel. More than likely she was bought in a pet store and was imported. This is a good example of a dinking project. So this will be a 3 -5 year project depending on sex .Breed first year raise babies to adults 18 mons - 3 years breed back to parents and hope like hell the babies are different in color or pattern. So what did you prove........The original animal was normal looking but a het for lets say red stripe ,you bred it to another normal looking animal and produced 50% pos hets for red stripe.You were lucky enough to get one of the hets gravid by the original animal and out popped red stripe balls. So whatcha need normals for? Just something to think about!!!

Anyone who's serious about breeding has a load of normal females. Unless you've got more brain than cash, you load up on the normal females to GET all the morphs you want. What woudl be the point of breeding your male spider to a female pastel when you can breed your male spider to 6 normal females and make your investment back tenfold. Making your money back is what allows you to purchase the morphs you want.
Think about it.....
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For proving genetics of unknowns, for creating more of the same dominant morphs, and... if you end up bringing one to a kid's classroom for show and tell, you bring the cheap normal and not the bumblebee.

I believe the general idea was that normal females can do a lot, normal males are actually starting to be replaced with pastel males.

If you can afford to just buy/produce all pastels as your base stock, then there shouldn't be a problem.

~jenny
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Really nice normal girls will also improve the quality of your morphs, so buy the best looking normals you can find.