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Hate to ask, but gotta know:

I was thinking about getting another florida kingsnake, but am finding myself fond of Andean milks.

Would an Andean eat other snakes? I figure a florida king would be good to cull the herd sometimes, and maybe a milk would serve the same purpose.

Thanks!

Per experience, I doubt an Andean milk would be an avid snake eater. Not to say it couldn't happen. Florida kings on the other hand as you know are very willing to eat other snakes.
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Mark

But does either snake have to do with adding another snake to your collection?

Selling a snake is too difficult?
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/29

adding another snake to your collection is no problem but usually mixing species isnt very good kingsnakes are prone to eat others

Mixing species?

Snakes aren't to be kept with each other. It doesn't matter what kind of snakes you have, they should all be in seperate enclosures except for breeding purposes.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/29

It has nothing to do with the difficulty of selling a snake. I'm talking about problem feeders, including one I have that is prone to regurg. If the slightest disturbance happens, she'll upchuck. If I get her hidden away as soon as she eats, she'll digest perfect. This type of animal I wouldn't mind tossing to a snake eater, hence me wondering if an Andean would be willing to take a snake as an admittedly rare treat.

Feeding a snake that regurges to another snake is a very stupid decision...
That's how diseases get passed on.
If a snake is regurging, you aren't feeding it properly... Offer the snake food, when it grabs it, go away.
If it continues to regurge there is something wrong with it.

I've actually made that stupid mistake before, it's very far from being a wise move.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/29

Thanks for the input, though I'm hesitant to think this is something other than pure nervousness for the following reasons: it's one of seventeen babies I personally hatched out--and while I have three notorious problem feeders in addition to this girl, she's the only one nervous to the point where the SLIGHTEST movement on my part during a tease-feed session results in her spitting up the meal. Literally, the pinky's fully in her gullet and I begin lowering my hand to get her in her cage and up it'll come. IF I succeed in having her get the meal down, and she remains hidden up on a shelf and covered, she passes perfect stools. Honestly, this sort of snake I can do without.

Again, there is the possibility of disease, but with perfect stools, and her nervousness while feeding, I'm inclined to think otherwise. Aside from the fact that I'd do the fridge-freezer route before offering her up as a meal.

Fridge-freezer route... As in, freezing the snake for weeks before offering it as food?
Doesn't work.
Been there, done that, watched how it doesn't work.

Heres a different take on your little "problem".

It sounds like you're feeding the snake in a seperate enclosure... Then putting it back into it's own.

Why not just feed it in it's own enclosure?

And handling a snake after it just ate isn't a wise move from the start...
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/29

you know mike so many people say not to though.....lol

yes im being sarcastic the funny thing is that most people that sya that must not have jobs because when its feeding time here their is no possible way i could take each snake and put it in another enclosure just to feed it. by the time i was done i would have to start feeding where i started all over again.
i feed in the smae enclosure and i clean away the substrate and the normally lay down something like a deli lid or even small paper plates what ever is handy really works.

adam jeffery
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"CARLOS MENCIA FOR EL PRESIDENTE"
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

This is getting absurd. So you are really suggesting that, because your collection is so unwieldy that you don't have the time to feed in separate enclosures, another person who is able to manage the task is unemployed? Sacrastic isn't a word I think I'd choose to describe your line of thinking.

Thanks for the input!

i was being helpfull,and not absurd. by no means was i trying to bash you. i was giving you a suggestion. the fact is that most hobbiest's with larger amounts of snakes dont feed outside the tub but preach it to others. all im saying is that in all my years of owning snakes ive never been bitin by a snake because i feed it inside its cage. ive been bitin during feeding time but not during a holding session. the whole purpose to feeding outside the enclosure is to try and teach the snake that it should only go into a feeding response when placed into another tub and to keep substrate from being ingested. if you take my advice and some from others who are here to help you (which most come here for and ask)it will help you and your snakes in the long run. this way they dont need to be fed off to other snakes which is not beneficial in anyway to any of your snakes
adam jeffery
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"CARLOS MENCIA FOR EL PRESIDENTE"
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

All of my snakes are kept on newspaper...
I offer them all food on the same night.. With tongs, in their own enclosure.

I never get bit... During feeding or any other time.

But plain and simple, if a snake is regurging because you are touching it, it should be fed in it's own enclosure and left alone until it's done digesting and ready to eat again.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 10/29

the other thing is if you have to tease feed it it is because the prey item is f/t i presume...why not use live. a live pinky is harmless and feeding live is always better than a regurge or a starved snake.

ive bought many snakes from people that would starve their snakes to the point of death just to try ang get it to take f/t when they know it would eat live in a heart beat. if it eats live then feed it live.
adam jeffery
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"CARLOS MENCIA FOR EL PRESIDENTE"
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa