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Oh huey, holo/geno/pheno/para/neo/allo/seudotypes and without question, there are more of them types.

Anyway, these kings are basically found within a few miles of eachother. Please remember, I am not doing a study on these. I just took these on the way to and back from a study site. And for your interest, I will post a few longnose geno/pheno/and more types too.
The first two are of a king that was hit on the head and is recouping here. It looks good hey?

Todd these are for you.

Now for some real fun,

These came from my house, all but the one funny looking black and white one. Of course I got tons more. So, kingsnakes are not the lone ranger when it comes to being goofy. Enjoy Frank

Right where the black one was found, I found one oddball that was black from the head back and the sides were lemon yellow with no black at all. But, my good friend who was with me, kept it, so I figured I could get photos later. Nope, he GAVE IT AWAY. hahahahahaha

That animal was the oddest looking thing to see on the road. I told him I saw a small king, but when we went out to see it, it was way bigger. I only saw the yellow on the sides, hahahahahahaha Oh well, I am old and blind. Cheers

Sure does beat the typical "snake won't eat" post!!LOL

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I've tried burger King onion rings and freshly peeled carrots.....any ideas?

Thanks guys!

Chris

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"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

Thanks for those pics Frank, I appreciate them. It is great to see animals that are normal in the wild showing all the looks in a small area. Some of those animals are "classic" looking, while the others are very different from what most people see. I really like the looks of all of them.
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Todd Hughes

yea yea Todd, but what about that first longnose, outa hand pretty. And it was in my yard. I saw it in one area for about six years. Cheers

I did mean, ALL of them, I have some pink longnoses from west Texas thet are kinda pretty, and different from the classic fire engine red normally seen by me. I would like to take a "field trip" to your backyard some day!

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Todd Hughes

I have a question about this snake. We saw a similar one at the Chantilly show last weekend, and it had really clearly defined black circles all the way down its back. Like this, but even more uniform.

One question I think I have a hard time getting an answer to at a show is, 'will this snake look the same when he grows up?' I get the feeling a lot of vendors are feeling you out for what you WANT it to look like, then they lean towards that in their answer. You know, 'yeah, pretty much' if it's a positive, or 'no, a lot of that will fade' if it's a negative. Same snake.

Anyway, what happens to the black and yellow on this snake when it gets older? Will it still have a clear dot-dot-dot pattern all the way down or does it end up getting jumbled or faded?

Thanks. Great pics.

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I am sorry Eddie, I cannot answer that. It depends of that individual snake and its history.

For instance, the kings around Tucson proper, are known for have BEAUTIFUL babies and then darkening way up. Yet kings for other nearby areas do not do that.

AS you see from the pics, there are three with those circles(splendida type) and all three have a different base ground color. And all three are about the same age/size range. And from the same area.

With that said, nearly all reptiles change as they grow and age. My advice is do not make decisions based on what they look like at the moment. If color is important to you, make sure you look at the parents of that individual snake. If you cannot do that, then do not count on it staying that way. Good luck

FR, I envy you. I love the top two and last kings! Thanks for posting.

Brandon Osborne
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Cool!

Don't see too many Longnose Snakes these days.

The two almost all black-and-white ones - are they a subspecies or just a variation?

Here's a pic of my pet-store Splendie

Cheers!

John D

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I am so not lesdysxic!

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0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat "Roberta" RELEASED!!!

Great pics!!! are they from the S.Tucson/nogales border area? or in the splendida X calX Mexican Black king intergrade zone? I have found and photographed dark cals and splendida like that from around that area. Great pics thanks for sharing!! Dave

Actually no, they are from southwest of Tucson. And that cal pattern was indeed an exception, in 38 years of herping in that area, thats the first I have seen. Most there are the splendida types and some blacks. I have seen more blacks then the banded pattern. But it does occur.

I am not a believer in intergrades, as there is no gene flow from one population to another in this area. Populations are disjunct. That is, not continious.

What I see around tucson is population groups that are fairly unique and isolated.

Of course in the distant past, there had to be gene flow, so I am thinking its more about current genotpyic ability. That is, kings in this area can express anyone of these pattern types(and more), depending on the conditions.

Of those kings, only one is what I consider typical splendida type. South of tucson, you see lots of nice Splendida and some blacks. But not bandeds(so far)

Once I found a banded king, not far north of portal, which up until then was pure splendida.

As you know, kings are not widespread in this area. Cheers