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lateralis Nov 02, 2007 12:30 AM

Fellow bogie nuts
I am getting 1.1, unrelated blonde subocularis het for silver next week and had a few questions:

I keep B.rosaliae and S.triaspis, are bogies easier, the same, or more difficult to care for? I have read some things about regurging etc...and want to avoid this.

These guys are hatchlings, I was going to keep them up over the winter in well ventilated tubs, any tips on temperatures?

Are they weekly eaters, more, less? smaller prey, appropriately sized, or can they handle larger?

Any tips or insight into providing the best for these guys will be appreciated!

TIA

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Lateralis
"I would rather be precisely wrong than approximately right"
Marion "Doc" Ford

Replies (6)

sean1976 Nov 02, 2007 12:41 AM

...I feed my pair (about a year old now) once a week but smaller sized prey. Every so often they skip a week but normally they eat every week. Also in my experience and from what I've heard from others they are normally very shy eaters. I think I've seen mine eat once or twice ever.

Hope this was helpfull.

Sean.
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dustyrhoads Nov 02, 2007 11:16 AM

>>Fellow bogie nuts

I think you can safely classify me in that category.

>>I keep B.rosaliae and S.triaspis, are bogies easier, the same, or more difficult to care for? I have read some things about regurging etc...and want to avoid this.

I also keep both of the aforementioned species, and though I haven't had many problems, I'd say subocularis are still easier. Several of my suboc friends have kept Rosalia Rats and got out of them b/c of regurge problems but have done fine with the subocs. One thing you have to remember about rosaliae habitat is that it is drier than subocularis habitat. There is much less precipitation in Baja California in the Sonoran Desert than there is in TPRS habitat in the Chihuahuan. They're both arid, but Baja is much more so, in terms of amount of precipitation. Thus, the guys who have had the most success with Rosalia Rats kept the snakes on their top shelves in aquaria or super-ventilated racks with a warm basking spot. Soooo...I'd say if you're doing okay with the Baja Rats, keep the subocs the same and you'll be fine.

>>These guys are hatchlings, I was going to keep them up over the winter in well ventilated tubs, any tips on temperatures?

72 - 78 F on the cool end and 83 - 87 F on the warm end with a gradient in between the two ends.

>>Are they weekly eaters, more, less? smaller prey, appropriately sized, or can they handle larger?

Weekly is fine. They usually go smaller, but some can surprise you...still, not little "oinkers", as much as say, a bairdi or corn snake, collectively speaking.

>>Any tips or insight into providing the best for these guys will be appreciated!

Good luck with them...there's a pretty big book coming out about TPRSs soon, and also includes a chapter about triaspis, rosaliae, and bairdi.

DR

p.s. Please let me know if you breed your Bajas.
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MikesMonitors Nov 03, 2007 04:41 PM

Like Big Dust (an old wrestler by the same name,I hope you don't mind me calling you that Dusty). I too am a long time N.A.Desert ratsnake FREAK!
I also keep Bajas, WGR'S and TPR'S.

I was breeding my Baja's when most were killing theirs.

At any rate if your doing good with your Baja's and Greens, TPR'S should be no problem!

I have never had regurg problems with any of these species mentioned.
As hatchling I feed more frequent small meals, once they get going (at least mine) feed like PIGS!

Good luck!
Mike

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lateralis Nov 07, 2007 02:33 PM

Thanks for the insight into these guys, I just wanted to hear from others if there was anything inherent to their well being that may not apply to the others. Sounds like I should have no trouble with them.

Dusty I will keep you posted on my rosaliae, the female is big enough/old enough to go this season; the male might be too young but who knows...I (knock on wood)have been fortunate with the bajas in that I have no regurge going on. I live in the Sonoran so I thought I might have problems with the triaspis but after 2+ years they are all doing very well and have only had a bad shed once in awhile due to the low AH.

I think my regime is working so far, hopefully this season will see me reproducing both the bajas and the WGR's.

when/where is the TPR book coming out, who is the author???I want a copy of that for sure!

Heres a holdback from this year, shes not a rat but she acts like one...

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Cheers
Lateralis
"I would rather be precisely wrong than approximately right"
Marion "Doc" Ford

dustyrhoads Nov 07, 2007 09:48 PM

>>when/where is the TPR book coming out, who is the author???I want a copy of that for sure!

The author is Dusty Rhoads. lol

It's called "The Complete Suboc" and will be out this winter.

It's at around 275 - 300 pages, or thereabout.

Cheers,

DR
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lateralis Nov 08, 2007 11:11 AM

I guess I should of figured that one out LOL...well mate I want a signed copy as soon as it gets off the press...pm me and let me know how to order etc...

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Lateralis
"I would rather be precisely wrong than approximately right"
Marion "Doc" Ford

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