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Can one of you nice breeders explain what defines a “pure central boa”?
I’ve looked at a map and can’t locate the country called “Pure central”
There are different looks from the Nics to the Panamanian boas and so on….. So would you just call them mutts? Come to think about it, I bet most of the boas in our collections are mutts. Think about it, when people crossed the hypo gene with col. boas all their offspring’s would be mutts and so on. So that Col. Motley from that Motley to Hypo breeding would be a mutt! So we all have mutts.

What if a Colombian Hypo was used? If you bred a Colombian Hypo to a Motley... Then you'd have a Colombian Hypo Motley. The bloodlines would be Colombian, with nothing mixed in.

BTW I'd never call a boa a "mutt". I save that name for the 4 legged, mixed breed, furry creatures that like to bark. LOL.
They're very intelligent and great pets too.

If ALL hypos/orange-tails/salmons are supposed to be of Panamanian origin, there is no such thing as a "pure" Colombian Hypo. This might be a mute point to some people, but to others it has cost tens of thousands of dollars! We would be in the boat of those that lost thousands!!!! I've seen "pure" C.A. tossed around by countless breeders, and everytime I see it, I have to admit, I get pretty upset about it! I have NEVER seen hypo motleys have the "purity" questioned. What are they really? There are so many animals being used for breeding to "Colombian" motleys, you couldn't call any of them "pure" and stake your life on it! Who cares though right? When you're sitting on a litter of motleys that are considered neither Colombian OR Central American, and you're going up against other unquestioned, though surely not "pure" motleys, you start to care. I tried not to even get into this thread, but apparently it's being ignored by most. After I saw your reply though, I had to say something. When you find a "pure" Colombian hypo, trace it's origins thoroughly and see what you come up with. They either won't trace back, or you'll get no valid info on the parents past one generation. So, you may only consider dogs as mutts, but I've heard the phrase "MUTley" enough times to wish I'd never produced one. How bad is that?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9087

went wrong when it said he picked out a couple of pastels from imports. Unless they had a proven pastel in there mating and had roughly half the offspring appearing pastel then those two might be pastels but until proven then they are unfortunately just called clean normals but what is wrong with that seriously. Oh yeah you got to market a product so we'll call them pastels and mutleys I mean motleys
Bob

That link went wrong when it said he picked out a couple of pastels from imports. Unless they had a proven pastel in there mating and had roughly half the offspring appearing pastel then those two might be pastels but until proven then they are unfortunately just called clean normals

You do realize Pastel is not a single gene genetic trait but an appearance right?
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

So are you saying you can make pastels without having pastels?

You do realize Pastel is not a single gene genetic trait but an appearance right?

If it is an appearance then it is an appearance that has proved dominant through breedings repeatable in dominant fashion 50% of the offspring. Or two normals can have 50 babies and 2 appear to be pastel and since it is not a genetic trait then what- oh yeah an appearance. Motley is an appearance and hypo is an appearance.......

Those two were prolly pastels since they were imports and came with photo id of the parents and the genetics in writing
Bob

Jeff Ronne, the guy who made the post you originally commented on was the first person to use the term Pastel, his definition is an appearance, not genetic. Check out the forum that the original link is on, you will find his definition. So yes, it's an appearance no matter how much someone who hasn't researched and doesn't know what they are talking about wants to argue to the contrary.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

I wanted to apologize if my post came off rude, I was up a large chunk of the night looking for a couple small Kenyans that one of the li'l kids "helped" me misplace. So I was in a bad mood, as they are still nowhere to be found.

Have a good day.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

Since I had a spare 10 seconds I grabbed the link explaining what a Pastel is.

Here ya go.

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/forums/showthread.php?t=386
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

YEAAHHHHHHHH!!! ONE Hypo male that has been bred to the same female for 3 seasons and not produced anything. Now, find me some PURE HYPO COLOMBIAN MOTLEYS! I haven't seen any from Jeff, so unless he put this male out on loan, while also trying to breed it to his female at his place, then that animal hasn't helped produce any hypo motleys, so.....................Also, you have to presume the normal motley was "PURE". You would also have to document the origins of those parents as well, along with the hypos. Find me just one hypo motley that you can provide the entire captive origins of both parents, along with documentation from the original imports which produced those animals. Good luck!

I have no idea as to whether the Motleys are "pure". I was just referring to the Colombian Hypo. He hasn't produced yet, but when he does, there could be true Colombian Hypos.

I guess you'd still have to find a "true" Colombian Motley. I would think the first one is Colombian, but I don't know for sure.