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please help...breeding and RI

Bergmantis Nov 04, 2007 09:53 AM

I just put the male in with the female yesturday. This past month, the males temps were 80-83. I have one concern. Upon putting him in with the female, I noticed his right nostril looked a little (but not fully) clogged with a grayish crust. He makes very quiet whistling sounds once in a while and when I hold him, I can feel his neck sort of vibrate when he whistles. Other than that, his nostrils dont bubble with mucus, he doesnt open his mouth to breathe, but will sometimes rest his head along the side of the cage in an elevated position.

I have whitnessed this before with him (2 months ago) and also with my 2 other female boas. I have brought the females to the vet (this was a long time ago) and the vet said it wasnt a RI and they soon shed and were all fine. When the male had this before, I increased his temps and he shed and was fine too. He has been with the female since last night and showed some interest when I first put him in but not anymore, although it has only been 12 hours. The temps are 82 cool and 88 hot.

My question is should I leave them together and just keep an eye on things, or should I just pull the male and increase temps just in case it is an RI? Or should I leave them together and increase temps anyways because if it is an RI, she would have caught it too. How is breeding going to be affected by this?

Thanks a lot,

Mat

Replies (5)

LSD Nov 04, 2007 11:11 AM

I'd take him out and get him checked by a vet. It's better to miss some breeding time, than have 2 sick boas.

Kelly_Haller Nov 04, 2007 12:46 PM

A healthy, non-stressed boa will not acquire an RI from contact with an infected boa. If it does, then it is under the same stressors that compromised the infected boa. More than 95% of all captive boids are already carrying the gram negative bacteria that are the cause of most RI’s in captive boids. If one of the boas in a collection has an RI, then the entire collection has already been exposed to that causative organism well before the symptoms showed. This would be primarily from previous exposure from the source it was acquired, or from simple maintenance procedures within your own collection. The reason that these organisms typically don’t cause issues is that unless the animal is physically or environmentally stressed in some manner, the organism is kept in check by the snakes immune system. The main stressors include sub-optimal temps, high or low, sub-optimal humidity, high or low, or lack of security causing nervousness, etc., to name a few.

The organisms all already present, so if RI’s are showing up in a collection, then look for the stressor source that is compromising the animal and weakening it’s immune system to the point that the bacteria is able to multiply unchecked. Too low humidity is probably almost as common a stressor as temps that are too low or too high as far as respiratory issues with boids. The biggest issue is in the winter when temps are kicked up slightly in collections and the warm cage interiors rapidly drive humidity out into the low humidity room. Because the amount of water vapor the air can hold increases rapidly with temperature, the relative humidity actually decreases rapidly with increasing temperature, unless the evaporation potential can be met. This means that unless the rate of evaporation can keep up with the demand for moisture brought on by the rising air temperature, there will be an increasing rapid net loss in relative humidity within the cage. Unless you have a good source of cage humidity in the drier winter months, you could risk RI’s in your collection even when maintaining optimal temps. And that brings up the point that you should never lower humidity on a boid with an RI. Low humidity air dries the lung tissue of tropical boids and this damages the tissue making it more susceptible to bacterial infection. I’m not saying keep it high, but in the 60% to 75% range depending on the species. When temps are good, sometimes, the appearance of initial RI symptoms are caused by lung irritation due to low humidity, and many times it can be resolved before progressing into an actual RI by raising the cage humidity slightly and maintaining temps in the proper range. However, observe closely so the appropriate action can be taken if the problem progresses.

Kelly

marter Nov 04, 2007 01:50 PM

Great response Kelly,I have seen this happen more than once with P. Brongersmai. It's tough to keep the humidity up in the winter months. I run a small humidifier in the snake room to keep it at least 50% all the time.
Excellent post!!!

Morgans Boas Nov 05, 2007 12:10 AM

nice and informative post.
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I'm just the snake room janitor

gainesreptiles Nov 05, 2007 10:15 AM

As always ... well said ... I concur completely. Your response offers some very valuable insight into the understanding of RI in boas.

Bill

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