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I'm like you Vinny, sins are my favorite and the Cosala line we're working with is the best in my opinion. Mine are from Sander's jumbo line. Got 3.3 of them now but only 1.1 are ready to breed next year.

However, I believe your awesome adult female is a different Cosala line? It'd be nice to breed my male to your female to get some new blood into this line. Your awesome female is not from Sanders line, right?

Here's my pair that should go next year.

Dave

DNS Reptiles

Hey Dave,

First awesome sin!

I lucked out last year and picked up a 1.2 trio of sinaloans that are indirectly from Lemke (the person I bought them from bought them from Llyod). One is a Cosala (that really nice female I'm posting all the time) and the other two are something else. I have been able to find out that Lemke worked with both Cosalas and some other kind, I just haven't been able to find out if that other kind is a different locality or just super nice generics. Thing is they have really different head shapes from the Cosalas. I will take some pics when I get home and try to put a collage together to show the difference.

But, back to your other question. I acutally had the same idea about putting the Lemke Cosala to a Sanders one. I got a pair of Cosalas from Sander's a little over a year ago but lost the female (literally, she was able to squeeze though a space so tiny my crappy eyes didn't even see the gap). The male should be ready this year, if so I'll bred em

The top pic is the Cosala female, the middle is "Lemke" male and te bottom the "Lemke" female. Notice the head on the female is more arrowhead shape than on the Cosala. Like I said I'll take some better comparison pics when I get home

best,
Vinny

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Natural Selection Reptiles

I am no great photographer but hopefully you can see what I mean about the head shapes. The Cosalas (two different individuals in profile, one from Lemke and and one from Sanders) have have a much higher "forehead" than the ones I'm calling Lemke-line. And the Lemke-line have a much more arrowhead shaped head when looked down from above than the Cosalas do.

Dont mind the bad pics though, they are all in shed and a little dusty (just changed the bedding). Argh, KS also makes the pics look crappy for some reason.....

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

your lemke line sinaolan has some red on its snout as well, something that I have only seen on snakes from Cosala. Anyway, keep me posted on your pairing of the Lemke Cosala x Sanders Cosala next year! As if I need anymore sinaloans, I might need some of those!

Dave
DNS Reptiles

Thanks for the pictures Vinny, I have been waiting to see some comparison shots. It is pretty interesting how much they vary.
Nathan

Vinny,

can you also post pics from the underside of the head.
You once showed me those pics and I was very surprised as far as I remember right.

Thx,
Gerrit

Lampropeltis

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The kind of sinaloae you don't see much of any more. Obviously not hybrid nelsoni mutts!
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Brad Chambers

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

Great looking snakes guys! The sinaloans, as you both already know, are my favorite as well and you two couldn't have a conversation without me showing up. LOL. The Cosalas we are all working with are already nice but I must agree with the both of you, putting the Cosala to a Lemke should make some really nice looking offspring.
Glad you guys appreciate them as much as I do.
Nathan