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I often use the word "consider" when I state something or another. This only means to consider, not that you HAVE to do anything, change anything, or believe anything. Even if I do not add "consider" my posts have no more power then to be considered.

I never stated my husbandry is the best, in fact, far from it. I could do ten times better, OK, a hundred times better if I had many many times fewer animals.

I offer results and those results are HERE to compare to others results, and in hat, those are superior to any single event or as a whole. Again these results are ONLY for your consideration.

Why I post these results is simple and common sense. In a world of "lack" of results, YOU surely must agree that in general, this forum is dominated by failure or lack of simple results. Even some of the other "experts" forums are full of, lack of results and full of a lot of "perhaps". Mike, you mentioned "perhaps" your approach will work, the truth is, the world is full of perhaps and hopefully. In reality, its lacking in realtime successful results.

So I offer BASE, simple, information that if applied, will result in any species achieving basic life events.

Which in any field in the world, is the START for more advanced or more complicated techniques. The basics always come before the advanced.

That many here in the states, jump past the simple basics and into theory, perhaps and hope, is beyond me. Thats something for those folks to think about.

About your statements. You do your approach, because it keeps you interested. I respect that. But, consider this, that would be great, if you already understood and applied the basics. You see, your not thinking about the monitors, THEY MUST HAVE BASIC SUPPORT, before you should start to consider, what keeps you interested.

If you already knew what was needed and your monitors repeatedly completed life events, I would never question anything you do after that.

So, don't you think the monitors deserve to attain simple base life events????? Don't you that should be understood by the keeper before then head offto plastic plants and all such decorations that may nothing to the caged monitors. Cheers

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Mike's Monitors!

Mike, this is why these posts turns sour.

Its not about me being right, I am only right for ME. Its also not about you being right.

Constantly making it about right or wrong, HAS TO END in an arguement. The good stuff is between those two extremes.

Your entitled to keep monitors in any way you want, and in a way that suits you and your family.

The problem becomes not about you or me or our differences, its with the many that attempt to copy you or me, and without OUR experiences or our goals. They simply pick something pretty or easy, and do not know what it takes to meet the monitors needs. If we would ACTUALLY have a discussion, then important details will surface. That is what is important.

You see, its not whether we agree or disagree. Its the discussion of our differences that is IMPORTANT. This is a forum for varanid discussion, but there is no discussion, there is mostly I agree or disagree. Which is pretty much worthless to me and to anyone who reads it. There is no value in having a discussion when all are in agreement.

Mike for us or the "academics" to be of help, to the readers of these forums, we need to discuss our points of view. Thats the interesting part, not whether we agree or disagree.

Another for instance, If those experts that left would discuss our differences it could be very benefitual. They question me, I support my statements with results. When I question them, they get all mad and attack in all ways of no meaning. They then play all manner of mind games because they may not have any REAL support of their comments. Their main support seems to be, they agree with eachother. Hmmmmmmmmmm kid stuff. Sir, that is not discussion, and its not me thats causing the problems.

In this case, you could discuss what and how you USE you cages, sir, my bet is, its no different then what I do. Or when I mentioned your recent nesting was marginal. You never asked why or what would be better or worse.

Lets take your recent nesting. The problem does not have to be your setup, but instead your maintenance. With ackies, marginal soil types will work well if kept up. If allowed to settle or pack down, the nestings will fail. All you have to do is remix and fluff up the substrate and it will work great. The same goes for what your using, if it was compacted over time. The monitors may not dig a deep burrow. Instead wait until the last minute and lay in a shallow nest. Which will lead to complications to the female and possibly the eggs. But you do not discuss this, you either agree or disagree.

How on earth can anyone have a decent discussion if all they WANT is agreement. Sir that is boring.

And no I was not right, I was partically right. And so were you. Cheers

Frank
On other forums there are agreements, disagreement, and opinions backed by personal experience!

Not much "beefin" like here....with you!
I have decent discusion with all kinds of folks at every level of experience, captive breeding, natural history, long term obsevervation of wild Varanids, those who reseach and so on!

The only real difference is there are no riddles, or my results generations and gerneration blah blah!

Frank I have been around along time, 12 years...or is it 10?
At any rate I know what you have done and respect that greatly!
Why do you constantly say these things, to reassure yourself?
Because MOST LONG TIMERS know about your sucsess.
For me it has nothing to do with your sucsess, it's more of a question of your honesty.

With that said if I wanted your opinion about anything, I'd ask!
I stopped asking and responding to you a long time ago for reasons I do not wish to get into, here or anywhere.

With that said, have a nice day Brother a er a...Sir!
Mike
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Mike's Monitors!

I ask this, why would I have to reassure myself. The question is, is the distance between my experience and others to great to have a mutual understanding. I wonder that. To me, thats the reason for riddles. They are not riddles to me. To me, its common understanding, or proven understanding.

I do not mean none of this as bragging, but how can there be an understanding when I have had thousands of clutches with someone who has five or ten? To me, if you think you should understand me, then your saying, we do not learn from each and every clutch. Or each and every breeding, or each and every generation. I MENTION this to indicate, there is something there.

I know, when I had under 50 clutches, I did not know anything. In fact, I tell folks, I really do not learn about a species until after several generations. And theres a simple reason, after many generations, you STOP shootgunning and learn what is actually needed.

You see Mike, when I had a few dozen clutches, I hoped, I theorized, I tried everything under the sun.

So no, I do not think we should agree. Or even why we should. So all I can offer is What it takes to do this and that. And I show it. And I answer the best I can, even if you cannot understand it.

I will say, I will steadfastly refuse to agree on a subject for social reasons, particularly when the lives of monitors are at stake.

Anyway, good bye for a while, I am going bush. Cheers

"I am going bush"
Me too! My Wife has been bugging me all day
Mike
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Mike's Monitors!