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for shipping through UPS and FedEX would this change the way we can ship since FedEX you cant ship reptiles without being certified and most people that do ship arent, and with UPS i'm not quite sure on those rules but since this bill make us report all transporting, those who arent certified through FedEx, well we not be able to ship through them anymore? does anyone have any info on how to go about shipping if not exacly certfied through the shippers?

This is a copy of the part i'm talking about

The proposed rules would require commercial permit holders to maintain a daily log of all activities involving the acceptance or transfer of controlled exotic snakes, including the identity and address of any person from whom such snakes are obtained or transferred to, and that person's commercial controlled exotic snake permit number (if the person is required to possess a permit). Additionally, the proposed rules would require the retention of the daily log and all receipts, bills of sale, etc., for a period of two years, and would require that they be made available for inspection upon the request of any department employee acting within the scope of official duties.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/feedback/meetings/2008/1108/agenda/regulations_committee/#item4

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0.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0.0 Yellow Anaconda
1.1.0 Suriname Red Tail Boa
1.1.0 Guyana Red Tail Boa
1.0.0 Coral Sunglow Boa
0.1.0 Coral Albino Boa
0.1.0 Arabesque Het Albino Bos
0.1.0 DH Sunglow Boa
1.1.0 Red Blood Python
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet Python (VPI Bloodline)
0.1.0 Burmese Python (Rescue)
0.1.0 Albino Retic (Lavender)
0.1.0 Avicularia Versicolor
1.0.0 Cat

I am assuming only exotic controlled species are concerned here, native colubrid snakes to the U.S.are okay, venomous that are not native to Texas and the 5 big boa/pythons are the affected species.
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Todd Hughes

yes, problem is those 5 large constrictors are mainly what i keep and breed so curious on how shipping would go if i got the commercial license
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0.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0.0 Yellow Anaconda
1.1.0 Suriname Red Tail Boa
1.1.0 Guyana Red Tail Boa
1.0.0 Coral Sunglow Boa
0.1.0 Coral Albino Boa
0.1.0 Arabesque Het Albino Bos
0.1.0 DH Sunglow Boa
1.1.0 Red Blood Python
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet Python (VPI Bloodline)
0.1.0 Burmese Python (Rescue)
0.1.0 Albino Retic (Lavender)
0.1.0 Avicularia Versicolor
1.0.0 Cat

I don't think shipping will be affected. It is record keeping that is required.
Richard

Exactly!
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Todd Hughes

I agree. Two seperate issues. Not a problem to ship.
jsc

ok cool, thanks for the info everyone

one more thing, i know retics burms condas are on the list and all i keep,lol, what are the other 2 constrictors they're referring to? is it rock pythons? or and scrubs or boa constrictors?
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0.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0.0 Yellow Anaconda
1.1.0 Suriname Red Tail Boa
1.1.0 Guyana Red Tail Boa
1.0.0 Coral Sunglow Boa
0.1.0 Coral Albino Boa
0.1.0 Arabesque Het Albino Bos
0.1.0 DH Sunglow Boa
1.1.0 Red Blood Python
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet Python (VPI Bloodline)
0.1.0 Burmese Python (Rescue)
0.1.0 Albino Retic (Lavender)
0.1.0 Avicularia Versicolor
1.0.0 Cat

These are the constrictors that will require permits:

(A) African rock python, Python sebae;
(B) Asiatic rock python, Python molurus;
(C) Green anaconda, Eunectes murinus;
(D) Reticulated python, Python reticulatus;
(E) Southern African python, Python natalensis.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
www.southwesternherp.com

>>These are the constrictors that will require permits:
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>> (A) African rock python, Python sebae;
>> (B) Asiatic rock python, Python molurus;
>> (C) Green anaconda, Eunectes murinus;
>> (D) Reticulated python, Python reticulatus;
>> (E) Southern African python, Python natalensis.

so.... when did burmese pythons become rock pythons? or did Texas mess even that up?
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PHWyvern

Back in the older literature, they were referred to as Asian Rock Pythons. It's kind of like "Red Rat Snakes" before they were known as "Corn Snakes".
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Tim Cole
www.Designeratrox.com/
www.AustinReptileService.net
www.AustinReptileExpo.com/
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Conservation through Education

As the other poster said they were known as Asian rock pythons in earlier days. However just like Burmese Python this is nothing more than a common name as far as common names go you could call it a trailer park python or a mynamar python or a fat ugly brown snake or whatever else you could think of but the official name of this snake is Python molurus bivittatus. The whole purpose of Carl Linnee's binomial nomenclature system was to provide a universal system for the scientific community (and ultimately the legal community as well) There are many species that occur in many different countries that end up having muliptle aliases in different languages so this helps clear that up. Goanna and Leguan are corruptions of iguana. of course Igaunas are iguanas and the former are Varanus species. Leaf tailed geckoes refer to Uroplatus geckoes and also an Australian genus of Geckoes as well. Then there's black snakes that could refer to god only knows how many different species of snakes. Like I said common names are just that it's the latin that matters in science and in law.

Yeah it is the up to date field guides that the base all the herp regs on.....

Lance
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

JASPER NEWSBOY (Texas) 14 November 07 Proposal would require permits to sell/possess venomous snakes
The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission has approved the publication of proposed regulations that would require a new permit for people who sell, transport or possess venomous snakes not indigenous to Texas, plus four species of pythons and one species of anaconda.
Under House Bill 12, enacted by the 80th Texas Legislature, the commission is required to establish permits authorizing the possession and transportation of the following snakes: all non-indigenous venomous snakes, African rock python (Python sebae), Asiatic rock python (Python molurus), green anaconda (Eunectes murinus), reticulated python (Python reticulatus), and southern African python, (Python natalensis). The bill also prohibits the release of these snakes into the wild in Texas.
The proposed regulations would require anyone who possesses one of the controlled exotic snakes, but does not sell snakes, to buy a $20 Recreational Controlled Exotic Snake Permit. People who buy a controlled exotic snake from a pet store could use their sales receipt as a temporary recreational permit good for 21 days, giving them time to buy an official Texas Parks and Wildlife Department permit.
Dealers who possess or transport controlled exotic snakes for sale would need to pay a $60 Commercial Controlled Exotic Snake Permit. This permit would be required for each permanent place of business where controlled exotic snakes are sold. Permitted businesses would need to maintain a daily record of snake sales, which would have to be kept for two years and made available to TPWD upon request.
Either permit could be obtained anywhere Texas hunting and fishing licenses are sold.
The department staff is preparing the official version of the proposed regulations. Following publication of the proposal in the Texas Register, public comments will be accepted via the TPWD Web site Public Comment page. The commission will consider final adoption of the regulations at its next meeting Jan. 24.
Proposal would require permits to sell/possess venomous snakes