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because i bred a Goini to a Whitesided Brooks.
Well they are pipping now and was wondering since most of my snakes are going off food now,Wondering if you all have put hatchlings into brumation before they have fed,i did have some non eatting Cal kings last year brumate without a meal and woke hungry in the spring...Thanx Chris

I almost never cool hatchlings. Sounds like an interesting project, I am really looking forward to seeing these babies and especially what comes from them later down the road. Tom Stevens
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why are you bad...I mean why is it bad to breed the Blaze to a WS?
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Just for the Trolls,who critisize

Was it a Blaze?
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"Blaze" aka "Blaze Phase" Goini seems to be a Hyperythristic (increased red) mutation

~ZF
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Comprehend better than MOST... but i'm NOT claiming to be an expert...

I brumate all of my hatchlings, except a few I keep for future breeders and I want a few months of extra growth.

They would brumate in the wild.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Kerby,
Normally I would agree with you. But Chris is down in south florida where the temps are warm all winter. I would try feeding them. The ones that eat well from the start keep awakeand let them grow and the ones that do not want to eat, brumate them. Normally neonates that are brumated eat much better than ones that are fed throughout the winter. They also usually pass up in size and growth the ones that have been feeding all winter come summer.

I guess it takes a little patience but everytime I have brumated finicky feeders or extremly small snakes they came out eating and growing like champs and get bigger than the siblings which were feeding all summer..
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

The ones that I brumate definitely have a GREAT appetite coming out of brumation...but I would say that mine that brumate do not catch up to the ones that I have been feeding all winter.

Everyone's set up is a little different (temps, etc..)

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Posted by: Kerby... at Mon Nov 12 13:32:57 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Everyone's set up is a little different (temps, etc..)

I would say ALL of them pass up in growth by summer. You are working with Cal kings and I should clarify when I have done this it is with eastern spp. These snakes I put down are usually finicky eaters that want snakes or scented mice. Some do not eat at all. The ones that I brumate come out eating unscented mice with no problems. The ones that are feeding through winter are still finicky and still feeding on scented. The ones that are brumated come out feeding ravnously. They pass those up in growth because the cooling period did something to their appetite. Like a little switch in their brain tells them what to do.
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your dealing with "The" Brooksi Expert! He can spot a hybrid from a 1000 yards. LOL!!!!!
-Phil
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Posted by: Kerby... at Mon Nov 12 13:32:57 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Everyone's set up is a little different (temps, etc..)

Not sure what you meaning or intent is here but I think everyone should study current hybrids on the market. Even if you don't like hybrids you should be able to tell if something is crossed.

As far as me being an expert on hybrids. I think by just paying attention to all sorts of things related to herpetoculture, herpetology and field herping will make one more knowledgable about the animals they keep.
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sorry I was replying to Phils post not you Kerby.

Posted by: Patton at Mon Nov 12 17:32:21 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

your dealing with "The" Brooksi Expert! He can spot a hybrid from a 1000 yards. LOL!!!!!
-Phil
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Just messin' with ya.

LOL

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Could use a sort of modified brumation that closely mimics nature down here. I would feed them, but allow some fluctuation in temps according to what’s happening locally. Let them get cool, what we call cool might not even qualify as brumation to most. Then feed them again when it warms up, etc. I personally would feed them keeping an eye on local temps and what food is in their gut, and forget actually cooling them until next winter. I don’t think hatchlings are affected so much by the hormones and all that from brumating like the “teenagers” and adult snakes would be. A lot of hatchlings probably brumate, but a lot of them probably do not survive in nature, either. Since they are captive bred, I’d go with tried-and-true for best captive maintenance. I’d love to see a whiteside with the patternless Goini thing going on down the back, good luck!

thank you and thanks all,i wish i had Whiteside Hypo from the start of this projecto.............C