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I "purchased" a really nice couldnt pass up hypo at a steal price for $350, bought and paid for. Well it turned out that the snake was "already sold" to someone who happened to offer a much higher price to another person in the store "before me" and the person I bought it from didnt know it. Instead of giving me a refund, he wanted to send me this. In a hobby where hypos are so abundant and becoming a dime a dozen, do you think she would be worth the $350. I actually originally didnt even want another hypo to begin with but like I said she was a couldn't pass up, I just had to have the original, and since I couldnt have her, I'm debating on whether to get my refund or take the replacement. I was just curous to what everyone else thought. thanks for any input.... Jon

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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

little bit bigger pics for easier veiwing

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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

I don't know what the other hypo looked like, but I think she'd be worth 350. because of her abberant pattern.
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

look at the post titled original below, thanks for your input. Yeah, her pattern is nice but color doesnt compare and I'm a color man myself. Was thinking about getting her becuase of her abbareancies alone
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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

"In a hobby where hypos are so abundant and becoming a dime a dozen, do you think she would be worth the $350."

Hypos are easily the most common morph in boas, but hypos like that are not. She is certainly not a "dime a dozen" hypo. As with any morph, "nicer" hypos will demand higher prices. That girl is killer and well worth $350. However if you feel she is not as nice as the original, offer less or take a refund.
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Phil Goss
www.GossReptiles.com

this is the original, she was a hypo suri. Definitely not as abberant as the new one but I love color and she definitely had plenty of it. thanks for the reply

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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

It's all up to what you like. I wouldn't pay $200. for the original. It's not a hypo suri it's a hypo X suri, and there's a lot of difference.
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

Yeah, I know its not an "actual" hypo suri, but a cross, but I love colorful mutts. I really love hypo hoggs with how orange they get, those are actually my fave, but then I liked how pink she was and wanted her to add to my color menagerie, thanks for your input.... but you really wouldnt pay $200 for her based on color alone and not the mutt factor..... Jon
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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

http://www.redwoodreptiles.com/images/7-22-07/scarlet_2282.jpg

I think this is a possible hypo suriname, a 100% suriname, wild caught that Christian Clodfelter of Redwood Reptiles gave me permission to post. I'd rather persue this avenue for a hypo suriname. Even if she isn't a hypomelanistic morph, with selective breeding her babies will be just as good to me. No one looks down their noses at a pastel because a pastel is not a morph and is the product od selective breeding.

If a snake is beautiful enough it trumps even the morph card in my opinion. : )
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

I've seen a ton of Suri's that look just like that one from Redwood. It's not a hypo and it's not that unique.

That hypo suri cross has a ton of color and is unique.

However, I can understand if you don't like the idea of crossing true locales with BCI morphs. I have both and it's not an issue to me.

My thoughts exactly cuz hypo it is not just check out those solid black lines around the whole tail but yes he is clean with light saddle color so we'll call him a pastel
Bob

Show me three more! : )
I don't have any problem with making bcc X bci mutts
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

Why don't you post pictures of three or four. I don't have any problem with making bcc X bci mutts. I'd never try to pass them off as hypo suris.
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

I agree that suri (Scarlet) is not "a hypo" and she might not be too unique either but she certainly doesn't have much black on her. Like a Pastel, only wild caught, not selectively bred. (what's the word for that?) I'm sure all the hot boas in the wild get most of the action so there is some selective breeding in there somewhere. Unfortunately she has a few years before i can breed her but I do have a really nice suri male (not as nice as her) i will pair her with when she is ready to try and get some suri babies, hopefully half as awesome as she is. After i have a suri litter, will i breed her to an albino or sunglow? I think about it often. I'm not against mixing either but it would be a shame not to try to reproduce her beauty first. Unique or not.

Christian

>>I've seen a ton of Suri's that look just like that one from Redwood. It's not a hypo and it's not that unique.
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>>That hypo suri cross has a ton of color and is unique.
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>>However, I can understand if you don't like the idea of crossing true locales with BCI morphs. I have both and it's not an issue to me.
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Christian

christian@redwoodreptiles.com

You said "unique or not" I vote unique cuz she is very very very clean and does have that soft pastel look to her and add to the fact it looks like drinks some stuff from this guy

Christian do you plan on repeating your ghost pairing again this year?
Bob

"Christian do you plan on repeating your ghost pairing again this year?"

I'm planning on it. The female has recovered well from her last litter and is nice and thick but so far there has been no action. I'm giving the pair a rest and will try again in a few weeks.
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Christian

christian@redwoodreptiles.com

Best of luck and is there a waiting list this year? thanks in advance

lol Thank you very much! No list yet Let's hope for some action.

>>Best of luck and is there a waiting list this year? thanks in advance
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Christian

christian@redwoodreptiles.com

Hey, Christian. I meant no disrespect. Scarlett is a gorgeous Suriname. I have 3 that are very similar...really red or fuscia laterals and very light saddles. They probably could be called pastels.
Interestingly, mine are all imports as well.
I'll see if I can find pics of them. If not I will have to take new pics.

I wouldn't pay for a boa that was mixed with BCC.

That hypo is very nice, I wouldn't hesitate to buy her at that
price.

more opinions please, just curious as to what everyone thought.

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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

You are coming out way on top with this hypo compared to the other one.

Marcus

Jon I think the boa you ended up with is fantastic! I love the pattern! My vote is keep her!

Good luck,
John

Thanks for your opinion Jon. The 06' Salmontine female I got from you is doing great and has kept her colors and actually hasnt even muddied up at all so far, I had wanted to get that patternless salmontine male from you but with the sh_t happens expenses I've had lately, it's a little out fo range right now, thanks.. Jon

p.s. hows the other holdback female doing? did you keep her? you have any new pics of her?

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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

My opinion... is buy what you like. If you had your heart set on the 1st one and don't care of the 2nd one as much, get the refund and look for something else you really like.

Personally, I am not a fan of the BCc crosses, so I wouldn't consider the 1st one (although I am also a big fan of color!). I tend to like the abbarent pattern boas, so I would take the 2nd one, but again, I already have a bias against the cross.

Good luck with whatever you decide!
-April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

It sure is. I just want to be clear that I didn't reject the first because it was a BCC X BCI cross. It was because it had a very unattractive pattern to me.
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com