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First up are 1997 sisters, Canuma and Aruma.

This next one is a dark 2005 female.

These next two PICs are Amapa my yellow import with a normal colored 2003 female

This next one is Lorio, one of my breeder males.

This is Sunkist, another breeder male.

Two PICs of 2005 female McSherry Peruvians. These two are coming along nicely but are not big enough to breed this season.

This is RD. She had a litter in July and has put on weight well and is ready for breeding again this season.

This is Blondie one of my breeder males.

This is Fiona. She laid a litter a month ago and needs to put more weight back on before she can be bred again. Many of the bahies in her litter have zigzag patterns on their backs.

This is my 2005 Tom Davis male.

These next three PICs are my 2002 Walsh Clown Phase female.

This is Santaremo my anerythristic looking 2004 male. He was normal color until about 18 months of age and then went through a color change with loss of red in the ground color and a change to white rather than orange crescents on the sides.

Another 2003 female.

This is Caat99F1. She looked and acted gravid this year but eventually began eating without laying any babies.

Wow, very nice. All so beefy & grown up looking. You sure have all the colours covered too. Very impressive collection!

Very nice animals! That Walsh Clown looks an awful lot like Dave's new lot.
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Aubrey Ross

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www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Sorry Aubrey, didn't see your post!

The Walsh Clown phase looks like an adult, what Dave is calling, Pearl!

Great pics, Jeff, thanks for sharing. I have a few questions, as always.

-For fully grown adults, does the color inside the dorsal patterns always match the ground color?

-With most babies, it looks obvious (from pics and young snakes I've seen in person) that the dorsal patterns are a different color (ie, more orangy). At what age does the dorsal pattern coloring start to lose it's difference from the ground color?

-Have you ever seen a snake with white crescents but what you would consider a normal ground color (ie, not overly brown?)

Thanks,
Ed

Ed,
...The brighter colors insdie the dorsal markings do tend to turn more like the ground color as they mature. There are a few adults that do still have the brighter orange color inside the marking though. This change is gradual over the first 12 to 24 months. BRBs actually get better color overall as they mature. Typically they look their best between 1 and 5 years of age. White crescents do sometimes occur on normal color BRBs.
Jeff

>>Great pics, Jeff, thanks for sharing. I have a few questions, as always.
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>>-For fully grown adults, does the color inside the dorsal patterns always match the ground color?
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>>-With most babies, it looks obvious (from pics and young snakes I've seen in person) that the dorsal patterns are a different color (ie, more orangy). At what age does the dorsal pattern coloring start to lose it's difference from the ground color?
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>>-Have you ever seen a snake with white crescents but what you would consider a normal ground color (ie, not overly brown?)
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>>Thanks,
>>Ed

Thanks Jeff. Seems like there could be separate genes
controlling the orange pigmentation/erythrin in separate areas (ie, side patterns and dorsal patterns). Oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep speculating until I start my BRB collection.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Ed,
>>...The brighter colors insdie the dorsal markings do tend to turn more like the ground color as they mature. There are a few adults that do still have the brighter orange color inside the marking though. This change is gradual over the first 12 to 24 months. BRBs actually get better color overall as they mature. Typically they look their best between 1 and 5 years of age. White crescents do sometimes occur on normal color BRBs.
>>Jeff
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>>>>Great pics, Jeff, thanks for sharing. I have a few questions, as always.
>>>>
>>>>-For fully grown adults, does the color inside the dorsal patterns always match the ground color?
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>>>>
>>>>-With most babies, it looks obvious (from pics and young snakes I've seen in person) that the dorsal patterns are a different color (ie, more orangy). At what age does the dorsal pattern coloring start to lose it's difference from the ground color?
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>>>>
>>>>-Have you ever seen a snake with white crescents but what you would consider a normal ground color (ie, not overly brown?)
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed

Great looking snakes, as always
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 wc girlfriend- Melissa (still nippy even after a year and a half of loving care)
0.1 CRB- Tempest
0.1 JCP- Serenity
1.0 Black Cat- Chester A Arthur

Thanks for the pictures. I love the variety. It looks like if you paired that Tom Davis male with the Walsh clown you might produce some pearls before Dave does. Or would they be clowns?

Dan

about Santaremo, that sounds familiar. The oddballs I just bought look anery too, they were perfectly normal until 9 months of age and then they lost most of their orange, and one turned black I would love to send my female down to you so you could breed her with yours I think this is very interesting. She's just a yearling now, but would you be interested in a breeding loan in the future? And about the walsh female, I was just asking hummel where those guys went, when are you planning on breeding her next?
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-Jasmine

6.5 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
1.1 Peruvian Rainbow Boa

Jasmine,
....If your female is still looking anerythristic when she is mature we can probably do a breeding loan. The Walsh Clown Phase animals have been a problem. I got two females and both were picky eaters. One of them was prettier color but never did thrive. She died last year. This one eventually came around and was just about big enough this last year but did not get bred. I will try her again this season. AFAIK this female is the only surviving aberrant snake from the 2002 Walsh litter.
Jeff

>>about Santaremo, that sounds familiar. The oddballs I just bought look anery too, they were perfectly normal until 9 months of age and then they lost most of their orange, and one turned black I would love to send my female down to you so you could breed her with yours I think this is very interesting. She's just a yearling now, but would you be interested in a breeding loan in the future? And about the walsh female, I was just asking hummel where those guys went, when are you planning on breeding her next?
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>>-Jasmine
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>>6.5 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
>>1.1 Peruvian Rainbow Boa

here she is, she still has a little orange in her cresants, that might go away who knows. But she has a very definate gray look, she looks like she is always in shed, I will take more pics tonight.

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-Jasmine

6.5 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
1.1 Peruvian Rainbow Boa

Hey Jeff, great post with lots of variety, where to start....

Amapa, wow like the yellow ones for soem reason, guess cause you don't see that many of them, very pretty!

Lorio and Sunkist, couple of studly looking boys, I bet Sunkist throws lots of nice fat crescents for ya!!

The Peruvians, love the bold look they have.

Fiona, looking good, nice crescents.

Tom Davis male, love those bullseyes!!!!!!!!

Like others already said, that Walsh clown phase reminds me soooo much of my "pearl" line babies, except I see stretching/joining of side medalions in your Walsh animal that I don't see much of in my pearls. Do you have any baby pics of a Walsh clown phase? And do/did they all have that odd shaping as well as the full crescent color to the side medalions?

Santaremo sure does have that anery look, even thpough he was not born with it. Will be very interesting to see how his babies turn out.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
....Walsh advertised the 2002 litter here on kingsnake when they were babies. It seems like there were about a dozen total babies and 3 or 4 of them were strange looking. This one I have was the most abberant of them. Her side markings are very extended. The ones near the tail more so than the rest. I have a baby PIC of the other one I got as my screensaver. I will see if I can find a manageable size copy to post.
Jeff

>>Hey Jeff, great post with lots of variety, where to start....
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>>Amapa, wow like the yellow ones for soem reason, guess cause you don't see that many of them, very pretty!
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>>Lorio and Sunkist, couple of studly looking boys, I bet Sunkist throws lots of nice fat crescents for ya!!
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>>The Peruvians, love the bold look they have.
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>>Fiona, looking good, nice crescents.
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>>Tom Davis male, love those bullseyes!!!!!!!!
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>>Like others already said, that Walsh clown phase reminds me soooo much of my "pearl" line babies, except I see stretching/joining of side medalions in your Walsh animal that I don't see much of in my pearls. Do you have any baby pics of a Walsh clown phase? And do/did they all have that odd shaping as well as the full crescent color to the side medalions?
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>>Santaremo sure does have that anery look, even thpough he was not born with it. Will be very interesting to see how his babies turn out.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Nice pictures as always Jeff! I LOVE Fiona!
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Amber Liann
1.0 Suriname BCC (Aloysius)
1.0 Colombian BCI (Austin)
0.1 BRB (Carmen)
4.5 KSB
1.1 RSB
0.1 Lesser Platinum BP
1.0 Mojave BP
2.5 Pastel BPs
1.0 Spider BP
1.2 Het Pied BPs
0.1 Albino BP
1.1 Het Albino BP
1.7 Ball Pythons
1.0 Pueblan Milk (Marishka)
1.1 Sinaloan Milk
1.1 Hypo Honduran Milk (Damien & Lucy)
1.1 Sunglow Motley Corns
1.1 Butter Motley Corns
1.1 Amber Corns
1.0 Snow Corn