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Has anyone crossed these two and what does it create (double ressesive form)? Also wondering would gives you the best cross potential, a male or female carmel? Same question regarding a ghost?

I would expect that an Albino x Carmel Albio would be indistiguishable from a regular (T-) albino.
Grant

T- = Albino or Amelanistic
T = Caramel albino

If you have a positive and negative trait and you combine them , I would say nothing will happen but normal babies. Randy Remington covered this a while back in a discussion about genetics.

As far as T- or T albino to ghost, it has already been done. Kevin was the first for both if I remember correctly and both are on his site. One is the caramel glow and I don't know what the albino ghost is called (maybe sunglow albino).
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Jody Barnes
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Yep, the albino ghost is the Sunglow .

You are probably right but last I heard no one had tested what we call T- to be sure it really is T-.

I'm still waiting to hear the results of albino X caramel to be sure they are incompatible.

I thought i saw somewhere that a (het) caramel fathered albino babies before... i donno if he was secretly a double het that was totally natural?

That's why I've been waiting years and years for someone to breed albino X caramel.

Probably not compatible. I was also waiting for clown X pied based on another fluke years and years ago but saw some double hets for sale the other day so guess they where finally proven incompatible.

I think the Evil Morphgod may be able to shed some light on this if he wanted to. I have "heard" that one of his carmels was also a het for T- albino and sired albinos. About 3 years ago I acqured a NERD het carmel male (although not directly from NERD) that is supposedly 50% het for regular albino. I have not tried and would have no plans to try and prove him het albino, because as I indicated in my post above I would highly suspect that a double homozygous carmel x albino most likely would be indistiguishable from a normal albino.
Grant

Randy Reminton is truely fascinated by the genetics and science involved here. Unfortunatly, many others are only concerned only with cash and the secrets required to protect their few greedy shekels...

The good news is that money is fleeting and the truth will come out...it always does at the end of the day.

Even IF caramel and albino turn out to be alleles (probably not too likely) I would not necessarily attribute it taking so long to come out to any financial motive. Alleles are a new and not well understood concept for most of us. The much easier explanation (and quite possibly right one) is that the imported caramel just happened to be het albino too.

I can also understand why the caramel X albino cross may not have been done yet to get to the bottom of this. A breeding year for an adult female of either is a valuable thing to risk to test a theory when common belief is you would get normal looking double hets and the double homozygous would look like a regular albino. Who knows if any of the few people who have had the animals to try that cross before the last year or two have ever even considered that they might be alleles much less been willing to take the risk to put it to the test. Odds are good they would get the normal looking double hets for a not very sought after combo and could have produced a much more valuable clutch with another pairing.

Now if someone has crossed caramel X albino and got all caramel looking babies and is sitting on that information then it gets a little more sticky but again they just might not understand what that would mean. Certainly it would greatly complicate the marketing of caramel but it might also be a way to avoid kinks.

I had a male caramel albino from NERD back in 02 that was born in the same clutch as a T- albino. Kevin said it was just a random thing. That male is now in Adam Wysocki's collection. Not sure if he has bred it to any T- or hets.