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I emailed Brian Sharp
He said two words
"Dont Know"
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

email from brian sharp(again)

It looks different than the anerys I've seen, but it is definitely an
interesting animal. Next step is to prove it out, which will likely be
a two generation project. Still, it should be worth the effort.
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

Listen to Brian, very succinct and to the point.

Basically two possibilities, dominant or recessive. If dominant then I would expect more to be around so probably not. So I would expect if it is genetic that it would be recessive, to prove out a recessive (and produce more in the process)...

Breed it to a normal, expect normal looking "het" babies. Until PROVEN, you can't call them or market them as hets (IMO). Keep several if not all, depends on how much you're willing to personally invest in the project.

Then breed the original back to one of it's offspring. If it is a recessive trait, then Homozygous original bred to heterozygous offspring will result in 1/2 of the litter being homozygous (visual morph) and 1/2 looking normal but being hets. If/when you get that litter, then the morph is proven!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

But wouldnt that be inbreeding, which simply isnt right im mean im no hillbilly or anything but i know the snake dont enjoy that
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

Yes that is inbreeding, And a necessary evil when dealing with Morphs. Usually not a problem unless you do it for several generations.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Listen to Brian, very succinct and to the point.
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>>Basically two possibilities, dominant or recessive. If dominant then I would expect more to be around so probably not. So I would expect if it is genetic that it would be recessive, to prove out a recessive (and produce more in the process)...
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>>Breed it to a normal, expect normal looking "het" babies. Until PROVEN, you can't call them or market them as hets (IMO). Keep several if not all, depends on how much you're willing to personally invest in the project.
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>>Then breed the original back to one of it's offspring. If it is a recessive trait, then Homozygous original bred to heterozygous offspring will result in 1/2 of the litter being homozygous (visual morph) and 1/2 looking normal but being hets. If/when you get that litter, then the morph is proven!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hehe the "project" will only take 6 years or so but unless you know the parents and they visually show this trait then it is your only option to prove its genes.
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

the reality of new morph development.

Takes a long time and a lot of work with two possible outcomes.

It proves to be genetic - $$$$$$ even more if it's good looking and/or makes another morph better looking

It proves to be an anomoly, not reproducible - $ You still have a bunch of normal animals and they still have a value to them, just nowhere near that of a new morph.

Either way, IMO, use an outstanding animal to cross the original animal with. At least that way if the morph is a bust, you have good looking normals!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>the reality of new morph development.
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>>Takes a long time and a lot of work with two possible outcomes.
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>>It proves to be genetic - $$$$$$ even more if it's good looking and/or makes another morph better looking
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>>It proves to be an anomoly, not reproducible - $ You still have a bunch of normal animals and they still have a value to them, just nowhere near that of a new morph.
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>>Either way, IMO, use an outstanding animal to cross the original animal with. At least that way if the morph is a bust, you have good looking normals!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hehe very true Dave I didn't mean to respond to your post just giving Ryan an idea of the time it might take to go after this project which I hope he does since that is a sweet looking BRB..
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

np, I felt you were adding valuable info to the thread, I didn't take it as a reply to me at all.

Yeah, I hope Ryan does go through with it or at least keeps it in our community and see that it goes to someone who will.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

me since I will take great care of it. I believe that it was the only one like that in the litter. If there was more than one than it can be assumed that it may be genetically inheritable but I think that was the only one. It just strikes me odd that the color that it threw though. I mean they have yellow, orange, red and brown ones already but maybe the grey is gonna stay. We might know in 6 years we might not, I just hope Ryan can get it horny that's all and yes it is wrong to call them hets without it unproven. I was wondering what Dave was gonna call his Fluffy offspring but if they have 2 that are screaming my name and look real good for normals and Dave doesn't have them on the holdback shelf then I'll take two Dave and Daisey and Savannah are gonna produce some nice ones
Bob

My Fluffy plans are just that, breed him to two outstanding females. Going to keep many of the babies for myself. A limited number of pairs will be sold as offspring from this un-proven morph with pictures etc. (won't be cheap so start saving your quarters)!! It will be a good opportunity to get into the calico market if it proves, if not, still have babies with great color.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Ill trade him for... A glow in the dark 10 foot carpet python! IM serious here!
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

a 10' carpet python? (could probably even make it work with a 6' one??) I'm sure I could find some glow in the dark paint left over from halloween!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Petco did you get it from (city and state out of curiosity)???

Bob, I'm just picturing you pitching a tent in front of that Petco every night, hoping for a big score....

>>Petco did you get it from (city and state out of curiosity)???

work for those retards Ed???lol

You seem to know way to much about reptiles to actually work in a big chain pet store. You'd never pass their inverse knowledge test.

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

couple of mice or just two LMAO on that one but I do enjoy when someone thinks they know half of what I know sometimes and I just simply agree with them and give them my take on the matter. They are usually stunned to find out the truths about some stuff but we have a couple of guys I work with that worked at the zoo for 10 or so years so we have a lot of knowledge in general but you can never have enough though
Bob

I don't get it....a couple is two? Must be pet store employee mentality, or lack there of!!

O gawd, I was at a small show and this kid (annoying kid.....very annoying kid) comes up and asks how many snakes does it take to get a bird? I said one, he goes into this convoluted story of how it takes two, one in the tree chases the bird to the ground and the one on the ground gets it. I never knew how snakes hunted in packs before!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

since it takes two then it must be a few snakes then okay that was wrong but I like it

Cause the snake cages were clean.

Also, that guy never would have made it to the retail floor,
you would have bought it as soon as you saw it.

>>work for those retards Ed???lol
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Ed's fighting dirty again...

Cause the snake cages were clean.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

sh-t stirrer you whose side are you on I mean come on

I'm on the side of whoever has the paddle with the cleanest handle. After all, don't want to get any on me while stirring!!!!

Conficious says:

While stirring sh-t, one must stir gently to avoid splatters and aim all fans away from oneself!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Confucious the guy who said- You don't have to use a cannonball to kill mosquito???? lol

It's win-win for Dave. If I croak, he gets an Indigo, and if
you croak, he gets a hypo BRB.

I'll put you back in the will if you can answer this trivia
question: What makes the leaves of dedicuous trees turn red/orange/yellow in the fall?

>>sh-t stirrer you whose side are you on I mean come on

Trivia is way to easy when talking on the forums...the web is right there!!

One answer here includes carotenids
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Photosynthesis slows down allowing the red and orange color in the leaves to come out during shorter photo periods???

Good answer, but what creates the red and orange color after
the chlorophyll (green) is not produced anymore?

>>Photosynthesis slows down allowing the red and orange color in the leaves to come out during shorter photo periods???

Not carrots huh? I'll guess some sugar

The two pigments responsible for yellow and orange are xanthophyll and carotene, which are also responsible for the color in egg yolks and carrots.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

reminds me of candy corn-that stuff is nasty

... with all this sugar and candy corn talk.
I don't even remember the question I asked anymore.

>>reminds me of candy corn-that stuff is nasty

how are we gonna raise money for the microscope fund Ed duuuuuhhhhh

Good memory! All I remember is a some long discussion on slugs and
chromosomes...

Ok, gotta hit the road now, take it easy and don't eat too much sweet potato pie and candy corn!

>>how are we gonna raise money for the microscope fund Ed duuuuuhhhhh

Yep, that's a good article. Thanks for the link, btw. You already said the magic word with your first response. Trying to get Bob to say it, but he's gotten distracted by candy corn now!

I should have said "no googling" when I asked the question!

>>The two pigments responsible for yellow and orange are xanthophyll and carotene, which are also responsible for the color in egg yolks and carrots.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

POTATOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

back was a pregnant female who I brought home and she wouldn't drink water for two days and got thin and lost her babies inside so she got fed off cuz she did not follow Dave's quidelines on mice and rats. I have been tempted to get something but I'm too dedicated to those damn snakes lol
Bob

Duh, stupid, just had an epiphany. You said the two the petco had were siblings? If so, and it really is a recessive morph, the sibling would be 66% het for the trait as well. Could be worth the expense to get her as well, that could reduce the number of years to produce visuals and prove the morph down to three. If she is a het and bred to her brother, half like dad, half like mom. Of course, just like an unrelated, if no visuals pop from the first sibling breeding would need to fall back on the holding back baby to breed to visual male.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

and no one at Petco will be able to do that for you so start feeling for the hemi baby lol but great idea Dave nonetheless

Well said, I just now was looking back at the original post to see if it was a M/F or what and does not even indicate they were siblings. So, maybe not a good idea. Probably (actually positively) a good idea to at least go back to petco and ask.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Ryan just needs to make sure to use the words "brother"
and "sister", the Petco person may not know what the obscure
word "sibling" means...

>>Well said, I just now was looking back at the original post to see if it was a M/F or what and does not even indicate they were siblings. So, maybe not a good idea. Probably (actually positively) a good idea to at least go back to petco and ask.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I asked the guy, they have 2 suppliers for rainbows... One guy gives a few s a sideprojet the other one does fullscale
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

So, can you trace that one back to an individual supplier?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The other one was like some thing called reptile ranch, seemed like a puppy mill. THey get 30 cornsnakes some other crap and 1 rainbow a month from that place. I dont get it. I cant find any good crap about mine though. Murphys laws
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

if you they can put you in touch with that breeder specifically and try to get in contact with him through a phone call or e-mail but they might be reluctant to give out that info so your best bet is to just be persistent and aggravate the piss out of the manager unless they will relay your info which I would try first. If he says no then try another manager but definately try to get his name though it will be well worth it, best of luck to you
Bob

Exactly, I bought Chester (BCI sunglow) from a pet store, When asked to get some info from the breeder, they sent him info including my email. Jason contacted me directly and in our conversations indicated he had another male he was thinking about selling. So. I ended up with Cyrus as well, IMO even better looking than his stunning brother Chester!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

No chance, i know the manager on a personal level. Shes this short girl about 20's. She kicked me out twice, and always hides away somewhere when she notices me. I asked to talk to the manager once and the guy came back saying "Shes Busy"
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

IGNORANT employees at Petco, they will lie to you Ryan so don't believe them but practice the bb technique with your finger first with the one you got

Tysons, Virginia
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As soon as your born you start dying...
So you might as well have a good time!!!

Violence is not the answers.
It is only the question
the answers is yes!

Tommorow we fight
tonight we party

... And if you die in an elevator remember to push the up button

...And death is lifes way of telling you your fired

...And theres a good reason why the road less traveled is less traveled

...Dreams are like rainbows, only idiots chase them(unless its a boa)

0.1 Tangerine albino leopard gecko typhon
0.0.1 Green tree python
0.1 Brazilian rainbow boa
0.1 evil sibling

I will try real hard to get some info for you I promise

I thought you were joking around about working at Petco!
I guess I should take my foot out of my mouth now...

>>I will try real hard to get some info for you I promise

Does mad cow disease have anything to do with hoof in mouth syndrome?

Putting my foot in my mouth makes me a little crazy as well!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hardee Har Har
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Aubrey Ross

©
www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Hmmm, still pondering that question, but I'm sure I'll put my foot (along with a whole lot of food!) in my mouth a few more times at the in-laws this week.

>>Does mad cow disease have anything to do with hoof in mouth syndrome?
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>>Putting my foot in my mouth makes me a little crazy as well!!!
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>>Thanks,
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I'm confident in who I am to answer the ultimate question.........which is why am I so special and it's not cuz I was dropped repeatedly on my head as a baby and toddler but why I am so darn special inside? It's cuz I am a.................

and here is a pic after I wasn't able to ride the short bus anymore (God forgive me please)