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I already have my breeding plans for next year. Anyone else all ready? Or am I jumping the gun. lol

Still havent started the full brumation, due to real warm days. Looks like I am just going to have to start brumation at the End of November or the beginning of December instead of Nov 14th.
Sneaky Serpents

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Elk Grove
California

>>I already have my breeding plans for next year. Anyone else all ready? Or am I jumping the gun. lol
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>>Still havent started the full brumation, due to real warm days. Looks like I am just going to have to start brumation at the End of November or the beginning of December instead of Nov 14th.
>>Sneaky Serpents
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I should have my pairings figured out by now, and should also be ready to put them into brumation this Thanksgiving weekend....but I don't and I'm not...lol
I'm running behind by a couple of weeks.
I will probably spend a lot of time this weekend planning the pairings and getting things ready.
There will be a few repeat pairings, a few new pairings and a few that I won't be breeding again this season.
I will probably only have around 16 pairings this season.

Nothing high end just your typical normals, amels, anerys, snows and ghosts, with some of these being motleys.
Probably some okeetees
some creamsicles, stripe creamsicles, motley creamsicles and cinnamons.
I am really hoping to have some good luck with my bairdis and I also hope to get some albino emoryis with my emoryi pairings.

good luck with yours

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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So....I've not been paying attention to corn genetics lately so this may be a silly question but.....what is the snake in the last picture? Is that a striped creamsicle? Whatever it is, it is awesome! Thanks.

Rob

>>So....I've not been paying attention to corn genetics lately so this may be a silly question but.....what is the snake in the last picture? Is that a striped creamsicle? Whatever it is, it is awesome! Thanks.
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>>Rob

Yep,
Thats a stripe creamsicle. She's one of my keepers from last season.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Jimmy, With all those Creamsicle projects, have you crossed one with a Snow? If so, what % of the clutch was Creamsicle? That stripe is awesome!!
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Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
www.LibertyReptiles.com

>>Jimmy, With all those Creamsicle projects, have you crossed one with a Snow? If so, what % of the clutch was Creamsicle? That stripe is awesome!!
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>>Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
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actually I haven't crossed one with a snow yet.
If I did, all the babies would be creamsicles (amel emoryi/corn) with varying degrees of orange.
They would range, in color from your classic orange creamsicle to a typical amel corn.
keeping the creamsicle name just helps to make it known there is emoryi blood.

But, if the creamsicle happened to be het anery then there would be amels and snows. (creamsicles and snowsicles)
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I'm going to try that cross this year...so if I understand you correctly...any Snows should be labeled Snowsicles because that offspring could produce Creamsicles in the future? Thanks for the genetics lesson by the way.
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Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
www.LibertyReptiles.com

They are intergrades and therefore should ALWAYS be have that label.
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************SNEAKY SERPENTS****************

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Elk Grove
California

>>I'm going to try that cross this year...so if I understand you correctly...any Snows should be labeled Snowsicles because that offspring could produce Creamsicles in the future? Thanks for the genetics lesson by the way.
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The name snowsicle isn't really as recognised as creamsicle but it seems to be catching on. At least for those who don't have a total disdain for trade names.....lol
If a creamsicle and a snow are bred together then all of the offspring must be listed as having emoryi blood.

A creamsicle is an emoryi/corn cross expressing amelanism so any offspring from breeding a creamsicle would have emoryi blood.

Snowsicle is becoming synonymous with an emoryi/corn cross expressing amelanism and anerythrism but isn't as recognisable as creamsicle. whatever the label it just needs to be clear there is emoryi blood in the mix.

There are a few "trade" names being used for emoryi/corn crosses and I'm sure as more crosses are done more trade names will float around.

Sometimes it's probably better just to say the obvious. an emoryi/corn cross expressing whatever...amel, hypo, anery...

creamsicle: emoryi/corn cross expressing amelanism
rootbeer: emoryi/corn cross expressing the wild type or normal phase.
cinnamon: emoryi/corn cross expressing hypomelanism
snowsicle: emoryi/corn cross expressing amelanism and anerythrism

There are those who don't really go for the trade names and I certainly understand it, but it is a part of the hobby, no way to avoid it so we might as well get used to it....lol
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I like icecicle better
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Striped Anery Corn "V" or "5".....Has two names
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Cleopatra"
0.0.2 Crested Geckos "Vinnie" & "Cadence"

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

>>I like icecicle better
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Yeah but there are already "Ice" corns.
So, Ice corns with emoryi blood would be more fittingly called icesicles.
At least that's the way I kind of look at it anyway.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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There are ice corns, but those are anery lavas if I remember correctly. I doubt anyone would name an anery an icecile..... Anyway, first come first serve!
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Striped Anery Corn "V" or "5".....Has two names
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Cleopatra"
0.0.2 Crested Geckos "Vinnie" & "Cadence"

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

Jimmy,

I sure do like that stripey thing. The rest are really nice as well. I'd be interested in seeing if that striped cream keeps its light inbackground color - I've never seen one like that before.

Tim

Third Eye

>>Jimmy,
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>>I sure do like that stripey thing. The rest are really nice as well. I'd be interested in seeing if that striped cream keeps its light inbackground color - I've never seen one like that before.
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>>Tim
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>>Third Eye

I will try to get a good accurate photo of her tonight and post it. Her background is still pretty light but not quite as "white" as the photo above.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Nevermind my morph question... Your striped creamsicle is awesome looking. I'll have to add that morph to my want list.

What morph is your third snake? It is stunning.

I'll start cooling mine in 5 more days.

Hypo stripe (het anery, amel and lav) X hypo stripe (same hets)
Blood red het hypo X bloodred het hypo
hypo stripe X amber (poss het stripe)
lavender het hypo x normal het hypo and lavender
lav het hypo x hypo miami
butter x amel

Nice pairings you have there. They all go well together. Simple yet you still get some real nice stuff out of them.
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****Misty****

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"I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once"

>>I'll start cooling mine in 5 more days.
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>>Hypo stripe (het anery, amel and lav) X hypo stripe (same hets)
>>Blood red het hypo X bloodred het hypo
>>hypo stripe X amber (poss het stripe)
>>lavender het hypo x normal het hypo and lavender
>>lav het hypo x hypo miami
>>butter x amel

Good Luck
hope everything goes well
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Besides my Abbotts that I've bred a couple of times already,I'm thinking about putting my female Abbott from last yr. with my male Love okeetee. Jeff

Small year coming up for me.
I should definately have my 1.1 orange albino black rats pair up. And if he grows enough I should have (hopefully) my anery stripe het amel with my snow het stripe. That's all for me this year. Next year I may get some balls going....
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Striped Anery Corn "V" or "5".....Has two names
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Cleopatra"
0.0.2 Crested Geckos "Vinnie" & "Cadence"

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"