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Anyone know how to go about getting these ? To produce them I mean. I have albinos, blondes, silver blondes, but no silver normal pattern. Can I get there from here ? Thanks

Michael

you have everything you need but maybee a generation or two away.

Snow = albino axanthic(silver coloration but no pattern morph)
Snow Blonde = albino axanthic blonde

So to get snows you need to breed two subocs which each have both the albino and the axanthic genes. The easiest way to do this with what is currently(at least if not sold out) available on the market is to get and breed a pair of triple het subocs. You only really need both to have the albino and axanthic genes but since silver blondes are more common then silver normals currently the triple hets are easier to come by.

The ultimate combo to produce these, aside from snow x snow of course, would be to breed a axanthic het albino to a albino het axanthic.

PS if I didn't mention it already all three traits are simple recessives.

Hope this was helpfull.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Not to say you're wrong, but to clarifiy, i thought that a snow was an amelinistic and anerythristic?? axanthic would be the lack of yellow if i'm correct. I personally own a snow and she has all the yellow and more compared to my normal!!

..what species do you have a snow of? I only know of a single snow suboc(trans-pecos rat snake) which if I remeber correctly is owned by Craig Trumbower.

In species which have both yellow and red pigment in their primary coloration then snow normally is amel anery or lack of red and black. This is why for things like blizzard you normally use amel anery axanthic such as with corns where you use the charcoal gene which is anery with reduced, though not eliminated, yellow.

In species such as suboc's where the normal coloration is yellows, black's, and brown's you instead get snow by amel axanthic. I do not know if there is actually a anery gene in the suboc population but the only way to genetically test it would be to have hi orange/strawberry parents both het and bred together since a anery orange/strawberry would look like a normal non-orange/strawberry. Basically subocs do not normally have red pigment so anery woiuld not express.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

i must apologize, i thought i was still in the corn snake forum as thats where i spend most of my time! But in light i've never really thought about what it would take make a snow Trans pecos, so at least i learned something!!

I own a snow corn, so you can understand MY confusion! Thanks and i hope to not go through this again!!

I think all of us have done something like that in the past.

I accidentally made a response in refference to black rat snakes while on the pituophis forum talking about black pine snakes.

catchya late

Sean
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

>>Anyone know how to go about getting these ? To produce them I mean. I have albinos, blondes, silver blondes, but no silver normal pattern. Can I get there from here ? Thanks
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>>Michael

I don't believe anyone produced any Triple Hets this year, so far.

Since you already have the first ingredients (Albinos and Silvers), breed those together, raise those F1s up, and breed the multi-hets back to each other. You'll have a 1 in 16 shot (per snake) of getting a Snow.

Dusty