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How do you tell a Fire Ball? I have seen pics and they look normal to me but I am just a newbie. Are there any distinguishing markers?

Thanks,
Dan

....but you can't tell it much ....

Seriously, FIRE is a subtle morph as a hatchlings-a couple of shedes lighter, with lots of blushing, a clear belly, and a very light head. The pattern is also aberrant and "tiger-like". These babies lighten with each shed, so that by a year or so of age they are quite distinctive.

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Brad Chambers

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

Is this a fire?

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http://www.jasballpythons.com./

Dan, I can't tell you what the markers are for Fires. Here's a few pics of an '07 male we recently picked up. He definitely doesn't look like any of the normals we have. Hope this helps a little.

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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

The markers are the spot on the head, clear belly, stripe on tail area, and awesome blushing that gets better with age
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

My snakes aren't fat, they're big boned.

What I meant when I said I didn't know what the Fire markers are, is something that if the marker is there, the animal is absolutely a Fire. I have animals with clear bellies and light head markings and loads of blushing that aren't Fires and don't look like Fires.

My Fire has the clear belly. He has the head marker, although it's not as pronounced as a lot of them I've seen. He obviously has the blushing. But without looking for markers, it's as obvious to me that he is a Fire as it is that my Piebald and Albino are what they are. Some of the "Fire" pictures I see don't look like Fires to me. Maybe they are like Het Ivories. Some are more obvious than others.
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Whats the fire ball gonna do.. that the pastel has done..about the same..?
looking at a fire to clown cross?

It's true that the pastel also improves the color on other morphs, but the pastel (and combos made from it) dulls in color as it gets older.

What the FIRE does is get brighter and MORE colorful with age-and it has the same effect when combined with other morphs. Check out the adult FIRE pastel......breathtaking.
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Brad Chambers

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

This snake was produced by Brandon Boeke of Priceless Pythons. I saw it in person and there is no comparison between what the fire does to a morph and what a pastel does to a morhp. Mike Wilbanks posted a fire ghost on here a while back and if you compare that to a POG then you will see the difference.

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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

My snakes aren't fat, they're big boned.

I appreciate your comment,and would not hesitate to buy a fire from Brandon..but would like more proof...like what do the rest of the babies in that liiter look like?..its easy to show an exceptionable animal and there is quite a differance in the price of a nice pastel. just a topic.

the male looks the same the other were either fire pastel or normal. That is a fire x lemon pastel
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

My snakes aren't fat, they're big boned.

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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

My snakes aren't fat, they're big boned.

Agreed, I've seen Brandons Fire/Pastel in person as well, and it's 1000x better in person than in pics, and that's a hard match.

The Fire/Orange Ghost that Mike Wilbanks produced was simply amazing. While I love Pastel crosses as much as the next, I've seen some brown looking adult bees, etc. and throwing a Fire into the mix would brighten it up and take out that browning. A bee that only lightens up as it ages, that's something I couldn't complain about!

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Ben R.
www.benrenick.com

Some have said my Ember Ball is a Fire. Based on the Fires I have seen, I would have to say probably not, but who knows. I am hoping to breed Ember x Ember this year, to fully prove out the morph.

I agree-those snakes of yours bear a striking resemblance to our Davies-line fires. Would be interesting to cross the two. I'd lay strong odds some of the resulting offspring would be white.....
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Brad Chambers

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

This is the Ember's yearling and almost 2 yr old pics. Middle pic is baby pic after first shed.