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Too Mean to Tame ??

jamifi Nov 27, 2007 05:14 AM

Hello all..

I am new to this forum, although I have read and done some research on here before deciding to purchase a new sumatran blood python. I am aware of their reputation to have bad attitude and I was willing to try my patience with that as many baby snakes can be agressive..
Well instead of finding one that was mellow or had a good attitude, I got a really great deal on one that struck a few times at the show but was handleable, but has shown some fierce attitude since i have gotten him home.

I have never seen a snake keep thier mouth open and swing their head back and forth agressively and lunging towards anything that moves. This gives new meaning to the words nippy. I have a great temp, 60-70 range humidity and i have him in a 15 qt rack shelf with belly heat. I figured i could start with gloves and tame him, but when i try to pick him up, he flails around with his mouth open trying to bite. Any suggestions with where to start with this guy ??

Replies (6)

PHFaust Nov 27, 2007 11:06 AM

K... If this is a baby, I can offer my usual reptile advice.

If you feel more comfortable in gloves, find a pair that not only protects, but allows you to feel the muscles of the animal. I loathe the use of gloves because I have learned short of crocs and caimen (so far in my experience) everyone else gives you some sort of muscle movement as a warning. Also be sure gloves still allow you full range of movement. (im sure some of this is redundant, but Im anal like that). I actually have a few sweatshirts with holes in the cuffs. Basically this protects my arms and most of my hands. I started this with the iguanids due to their nails, but I almost always have my sleeves down. While it isnt much protection, it is enough to offer you a smidge of comfort and also offers a buffer between your skin and the teeth. More animals have tasted cotton rather than skin.

If you havent had the snake long allow him to settle in. When I got my second borneo, he was a complete and total butthead. Beautiful but a total butt head. Striking the glass, threatening me open mouthed, lunging at me non stop. If you look back you will see I questioned if there was a chance this was caused by a switch from racks to caging. After two weeks of settling in and a few feedings, he settled down. Now he just bluffs.

Hubby is having problems adjusting to the bloods. They are such mouthy little snakes. The only really mellow one is Eva who has been with us over a year now. The two new additions are still huge bluffers. You go in their cages, they puff up and vocalize. This is just normal blood behavior.

So with that said. Assuming still this is a baby or young snake, allow some settle in time. Anywhere from 2 weeks to a month. All new animals that come in here get that. After that time has passed and the animal is feeding nicely, start with short handling sessions. The biggest thing that reptiles learn from is if they act like buttheads they get put back. Pull that baby out and do not put it back until it is settled. I have used that technique with hundreds of snakes, lizards, even an aggressive russian tort. You dont get put down until you settle down. This doesnt mean stopping all movement. However it does mean stopping any aggressive behavior.

I have also noticed that bloods do NOT react well to restriction of movement. This is kinda hard to explain, but if you want to make them curl up, you arent going to. Forcing their movements to suit you is counter productive.

While I am not an expert in bloods, nor would I ever claim to be at this point, running a rescue has put me in with some very aggressive animals. I use these techniques with all incoming animals. Its effective and has worked. But I promise it isnt without a smidge of blood given by the handler. It takes patience however and from what I have seen it works well.

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AshLopez Nov 27, 2007 02:00 PM

Congratulations on your New Aquisition.

I would make sure that your little blood feels comfortable in their new home.

The Temps should be increased 60-70 is WAY TO COOl.
Try 80-85 amnbient temps with 90 hot spot.

make sure you have hide boxes and or deep substrate.

I would use gloves,with 10 minutes of just sitting in your hands and then gradually increase the the time being handled.

Good Luck.
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jamifi Nov 27, 2007 10:48 PM

Thanks for the responses.. Yes i have read about the front open cage vs rack. I do have him in the living room as to get used to some movements in the house. i needed to correct what i was trying to say.. The temp is perfect 80-90 range and the humidity is from 60-70%. I think he is happy as far as that goes. I have had him 2 weeks and he has eaten 2 times. feeding is not an issue. I have been trying to open the rack some daily and talk to him, shift his water so i can see him better and without picking him up letting him get used to seeing me.
I think the first reply was great and I have also heard to leave the gloves with him so they will smell simular to the cage and his scent.. I will keep you all posted. Still trying to come up with a name and will get some pics..

PHFaust Nov 28, 2007 12:23 AM

Luckily, I have the ability to leave everything in the reptile room, so everything has that rooms odors on it.

Doing what you are doing with adjusting water, opening cage and simply putting hand in there will be good. Like I said, it does really take patience. Slow and steady.

I dont know if this matters a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, however I visit the animals at a scheduled time. When I wake up the room and turn on overhead lights, I go in around 15 mins after and then when shutting down, I spend 15 mins opening each rack or poking in most every cage, except for animals deemed a two-for. (two for handling). Keeping a schedule works like a charm on iguanids as well as dogs and cats. So I got into the habit with the whole gang.

It takes time and patience but hang in there.
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amelthia Nov 28, 2007 04:06 PM

I once threw a tshirt I had worn all day in with one of my bloods to let them to get use to my smell. I don't know if anyone else has ever tried this, it may be dumb, and I'm not really sure if it worked...she was much like yours, she liked to go for your face and she would strike the side of the tank whenever you walked in the room, and then one day after two months we were best friends. I lucked out...she became quite the lap snake.
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crzyflsrepdennis Dec 01, 2007 06:08 PM

I always say to pick them up and let them rest on your hands. Support them, but don't grab. Carry them like you're holding a towel. I have found that this works very well.
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