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bad pic but its the opnly one I had.

Shannon

I'll take a wild guess and go with Iowa animal. I see both syspila and triangulum in it's pattern.

-Cole

Unless it's the photo, it sure looks to have some Eastern influence in it. Is it an intergrade Shannon?

-Dell

I'm no expert, but it does look to have a lot of eastern influence to me as well.
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Joe

interesting milk.can't tell if the pics faded or it's actually a hypo/an-erythristic snake...or more likely just the heavy nominate influence,as many easterns in particular get so drab with age...that's a dead ringer for a 'fall line' intergrade zone specimen-i'll say from northeasten MD,somewhere thereabouts.....??what an interesting,enigmatic species.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

I had a group of 2.3 from the same outcrop and just this one looked different.

L8r

guess i'm gonna have to go find one of those ne marylander milks this spring to show they do in fact resemble that snake....i have only seen milks from that locale in collections of folks from that region itself.for some reason there are certain pockets where they retain the bright red thru adulthood,yet other areas nearby where the same would make sense,geographically speaking(i.e. equally close to temporalis' range) they are drab as adults.okay guess i'm rambling now,sorry.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

.......York County ,Pa.......nowhere near temporalis area.......some stay red some turn grey or brown.....some have a brick red look to the saddles.......the whites can be albut white to ugly as usual eastern....grey and all......I had a pair that was brick red with orange tinted white and orange tint bellies...really sweet....and there was an adult pair to boot......both from same farm......2 of 3 snakes that were never found once getting loose in the house.......sad.......Pa milks can stay pretty good red also ....especially if they are raised in captivity.......a red saddled eastern male started me keeping snakes again in 1989.......

( the person that collected the orange ones had "traps" set out all over a few farms that they checked regularly....they raped 3 dozen milks from the wild that year and at least 40 babies from the eggs they laid........I only got them because they were very special)....no they didn't get busted.....yes they should have.......and no I shouldn't have contributed to it,I know......(but you would have all gotten them too ).....

JY
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Cool snake Shannon, I like the faded out hypoerythristic look to it.
Nate