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Jeff S was asking for a update pic.Here you go Jeff.

Shannon

That is KILLER!..........also, the subject of anerythrism vs. hypoerythrism always comes up from time to time as you know, anyhow, my view(and many others) tend to think these animals are actually hypo(e) animals, and not anery. As we both know that anerythrism means a TOTAL lack of reds/oranges, wich would leave the normally red area void of ALL color.

On the other hand, hypoerythrism would greatly reduce the red/orange pigment, and even the yellows, since erythrophores are the pigment cells responsible for the production and the amount of the the colors except for the black.

I'm sure you'll agree, the same goes for the so-called "anerythristic" Honduran that Dave Doherty first imported to the states back in 1991.

Certainly I'm not trying to "rock the boat" on this, because once a name is so commonly accepted, it's hard to rename it something else later on. Heck, I still call them anery. Hondurans too, I just think they ORIGINALLY would have been more accurately labeled "hypoerthristic" animals.

My intent mentioning this wasn't to say you don't know the differences either, because I know you do. It really was basically to get your opinion on it, and explain the subject to others that might read the post who aren't really aware of the genetic difference, and to get some opinions from the others that do know. I do know those were originally called anery's, so if I had one, I might even keep that name myself, I don't know, it's sort of one of those toss-up calls!..LOL...know what I mean?......anyway, let me know what you think.

I'd like other folks opinions as well.

later dude!, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug, I agree 100%. I gave up long ago trying to call them hypoeuthristics (sp?).
Anyway, there was also a hypo hatched in the same clutch as the anery.

shannon

p.s. Doug, back in the late 80's or early 90's Ernie Wagner in Washington state had a real axanthic honduran.It was black and white. It was a large female and its mate decided to eat her when she was gravid. I wish I had a picture but I don't.
I know that the one that Dave imported years ago is actually a hypoerthristic and Dunham imported one about three years ago also that looks like its the same thing. Hard to say what a true anery would look like.We would probasbly think its a axanthic.

L8r

Shannon, I remember hearing about Ernies Honduran a while back, and the fact the snake was eaten. I think Scott Ballard told me about it, and said Ernie put the snakes together for a while to clean cages!......wow! what a bummer, I bet he was kicking himself in the ass for quite a while after that!, huh!

And I also agree, a "true" anery Hondo would look like something we all have never seen before!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

yep, I would have felt like a real pill for sure. I am sure that we will see in the near future a true anery and a true axanthic.Its just a matter of time with all the line breeding that goes on I am sure a few of us have some unseen tresures in our collections.

L8r

I agree that Shannon's snake is hypoerythristic, but there definately are both anerythristic and hypoerythristic gentilis that have been found, in fact both were found in the past two years by two friends of mine on different ends of the greenhorn limestone outcrops that occur in central KS...How's that for a run on sentence...

Here's the anery...

...and the hypoerythristic...

I remember when those were found Chad...they are both really nice examples. The hypoerythristic pictured is amazingly clean.
Nate

Wow!,......Those are some SUPER LOOKING snakes!!...I would have done some cartwheels if I came upon those dudes in the wild!..LOL

And yes,....you can see the big difference in the two as would be expected,....thanks for sharing those cool pics!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Nice Shannon...from Gerrit by chance??
Nate

Sure Nathan ,

unfortunally the hypomelanistic from the same clutch did not make it....

Gerrit

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...and they were adults with NO red, not even a tint...In fact, they were green...

Here's a shot by my buddy kcmatt showing the pair of adult gentilis as he found them under the rock on a day when we saw 29 gentilis with Dave Long, Brett Nelson et al...

You know Chad...if that old dude Tom found those, he would toss them to the side and say "fug 'em". They're ugly..LOL. You know who I'm talking about..

FOCK EM! HAHAHA.

Man!,.....that is friggin' unbelievable that he took a pic JUST as they were under a rock!....now THAT is cool!!!!!

thanks for the story.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I wonder how similar those would be to these green easterns I keep finding. Version of anery or something else?? Breeding trials should prove something,J