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Coral Albino to Regular Albino breeding?

killr_silhouette Nov 28, 2007 08:21 PM

if i do this, will i get ALL albino babies?

will they be all coral, all regular, a mix of each, 50/50?

i was just curious

thanks!
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Replies (5)

AshLopez Nov 28, 2007 09:27 PM

Jessica you will get ALL Albino's.

Coral is a traight and not a gene.

It's like breeding a dog with spots to a dog without spots.

Some puppies might be heavily spotted and others with no spots at all.

So you might get one coral or they all might be coral with varying degrees of coral.

You also might not get any at all.However this is least likely to occure.
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BoaMorph Nov 28, 2007 11:58 PM

All of the offspring will be albino.

Nobody has yet proven the nature of the genetics behind the coral trait. Based on the information available, it appears that the coral trait is not a simple recessive - beyond that, little has been learned and there are many possibilities.

The simplest summary of what you might expect in your litter would go something like this. At birth, they may all look like regular albinos or some may be distinguishable as likely coral albinos - it often takes as long as a year to 18 months for some coral albinos to start "coraling up." Whether distinguishable at birth or not until later, you would most likely end up with some offspring that are clearly coral albinos, some that clearly do not appear to be coral albinos, and some that lie within a range in between where it is difficult to say with certainty whether a given individual is a low-expression coral albino or a nice looking regular albino. The variability in expression of the coral trait is one of the aspects that has made it difficult to decipher the genetics.

Consider this litter's appearance at birth....

And three from that litter at about 8 months....

And two of the nicest corals from that litter at 17 months (the second one is the pinkest of the three in the photo above)....

Without a better understanding of the genetics behind the coral trait, we don't have any basis for stating an expected ratio of coral to regular albinos, etc. The qualitative description above is about the best that can currently be done.

We have an extensive write-up about possible coral trait genetics on our website - you can click on the link below and then click on "The Coral Page".

www.boamorph.com/id22.html

Hope this helps! Best regards,
Steve

Steve Reiners

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Ophidia_Junkie Nov 30, 2007 06:31 AM

Depends on if you actually have a Coral Albino or not. IMO too many high colored/pastel-ish looking albinos (no doubt fine looking animals) are being mislabeled as corals. Pete Kahl labeled them as such from a random occurrence. He has a picture of one on his site at Albino Boas at the bottom of the page.
It looks nothing like these red flushed animals labeled as corals now a days. I saw Pete's in person, I even bought one of his daughters in '99, and still have her today. She's not coral, but she did produce a couple in '06, and they look more like the one Pete showed me. Marble like, not totally flushed out, but more like this...

Again, not dissing anyones animals. Just confused enough about the coral trait as it is, since no real research has been done on the nature of it.
According to the read at the link provided by Boa Morphs, (I read your pages, and they are interesting no doubt. Well written.) BUT those are part Suri, which are sorta known for pink, no? Perhaps the albino gene just let it show through?

Anyway, not trying to stir the pot, trying to add some food for thought.
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BoaMorph Dec 01, 2007 10:38 PM

No doubt that there is confusion for many regarding the coral trait. We attempted to clarify what we could about it via the writeup on our website - and thanks for the review and kind feedback on that. I think that you are correct in thinking that there are albinos out there that have been labeled corals solely based on appearance, and that are probably not truly corals genetically (whatever that means, as we don't have the genetics behind this trait dialed in yet....). It appears that the broad variation in the expression of the coral trait results in considerable overlap between nice looking regular albinos and low-expression coral albinos. At BoaMorph, we have adopted the approach of letting our customers decide what they think - we use the term "possible coral" for any we are not 100% certain of, and price them based on our opinion as to the likelihood that they are coral. That way, our customers can choose the boa with the right balance of appearance and price for them. Ultimately, it's always up to the customer to decide, regardless of how the seller has labeled it.

It may be that the Suriname blood in our Groovy-line coral albinos and hets contributes to the overall color of the animals - in fact, the objective that breeders had in mind in crossing Suriname blood into the albinos was to prodcuce better looking albinos. However, it is highly unlikely that the Suriname blood is solely responsible for the color in these boas. A few of the reasons include:

1. Our Groovy-line coral albinos produced to date have all been only 25% Suriname.

2. Some of our offspring from this line produce boas that clearly appear to be coral albinos, and some definitely do not.

3. Albinos from other bloodlines with as much as 50% Suriname blood do not show the color and pattern tendancies of coral albinos.

If all coral albinos looked like the most extreme high-expression examples, it would be much simpler to deal with. As it is, there is not a set of visual characteristics by which we can clearly define what is coral and what is not. It's a puzzle we are stuck with for the moment, but we think it's a fun one to contemplate and discuss! Best regards,

Steve Reiners

www.BoaMorph.com

Ophidia_Junkie Dec 02, 2007 02:36 AM

Thanks for the reply back. No doubt there are some interesting things going on with this trait. I have other plans for the moment, but plan on doing some specific breeding later with Corals, just for my own curious mind. I had some in '06 that I thought would be nice normal albinos, and they exhibit more color at 18 months than their brother above does. Go figure, eh. But still not a full body flush.

Thanks for playing
Rick
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