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hay gang, been soem time since I posted here. I have a friend on 220 volt system, and has a hard time finding 220 volt flexwatt.
I told him if he splits the 220 over 2 identical length, and same width, strips of flexwatt, it will split the line voltage of 220 to apply 110 volts to each. I think what is confusing him, is flex is it's own parellel curcuit of resistance.
So, what ya think?
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom
>>hay gang, been soem time since I posted here. I have a friend on 220 volt system, and has a hard time finding 220 volt flexwatt.
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>>I told him if he splits the 220 over 2 identical length, and same width, strips of flexwatt, it will split the line voltage of 220 to apply 110 volts to each. I think what is confusing him, is flex is it's own parellel curcuit of resistance.
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>>So, what ya think?
NO
First off flexwatt can't be run in series it won't work.
Two it can't take 220 period unless calorique makes a 220 version but you can't run straight 220 through flexwatt.
However, it depends on what country he is in. If he is in the US and has a 220 outlet which one L6 or L14, NEMA L6 is the typical single phase 220 outlet while L14 is the 3 phase version.
**Very Dangerous do not attempt with out proper supervision**
It is possible to wire flexwatt to the L6 but its most likely not recommended. In order to do so you have to split the cicuit one flexwatt cicuit per hot feed. To make 220 we wire to 110's together, an L6 has 3 prongs 2 hot one ground. You would than have to wire both neutral returns together back to the ground.
**This can be very dangerous**
Of course if you have another 220 outlet it may be totally different. Its also possible to wire a 220 outlet back to 110 but an electrician should be used.
For any other questions contact Calorique directly,
http://www.calorique.com/
Cheers
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Jeremy
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I looked it up and it looks like the product can handle up to 480 volts at 14 amps with no hz requirement. I would ask them direct but I believe its possible with 2 wire EU wiring. Sorry about before missed the foreign part.
Cheers
>>I looked it up and it looks like the product can handle up to 480 volts at 14 amps with no hz requirement. I would ask them direct but I believe its possible with 2 wire EU wiring. Sorry about before missed the foreign part.
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>>Cheers
I still am lost why it would not work in the US too? I know our 240 is 180 out of phase, but this is really DC circurts. Since it's only resistance and no inductance nor cap,,, So 220/ 2 resistors splits volts? I thought? lmao
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Big Tom
>>I still am lost why it would not work in the US too? I know our 240 is 180 out of phase, but this is really DC circurts. Since it's only resistance and no inductance nor cap,,, So 220/ 2 resistors splits volts? I thought? lmao
Because US 220 is 3 wire you would have to split the cicuit in parrellel with each other and tie the return to a single ground/neutral.
I don't know how the product would reeact to wire both hots to the imput of the tape.
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Jeremy
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BIg hurt sorry to be a pset. But we have 220, then from my teachings we have 110 as there is a center tap. thats why it is 180 degrees out of phase. In teh US I would test it, only, as I do not need to do this. But it would be 220 V RMS (dc heat equivilent) from hot to hot. Drop the 220 across to FW in series.
What can I say, I'm polish andmy mom said I had a thick skull like dad lol.
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Big Tom
I'm not saying it wouldn't work in the US, I just don't know how the product would react to the 180 inversion. You just splitting the cycles. In fact its really not 220 volts.
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Jeremy
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>>I'm not saying it wouldn't work in the US, I just don't know how the product would react to the 180 inversion. You just splitting the cycles. In fact its really not 220 volts.
OK, I was all settled in lol
Not really 220? My understanding is Home Use is 220 Volts of potential difference. A center tape on the load side of the transformer makes 2 110 volts, and since it is a center tap, each 110 is 180 degres out of phase. But it is 220v? Or I thought? I have more IE pages open than you can believe. I always played with electricity and took a year in the late 80's in college. I'm not expert. But I did love the stuff, and used it a lot in my trains.
Please explain why not 220 volts?
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Big Tom
OK, not p on teh L terms? Hes in China. Straihgt 220 from what i understand.
My thought is to split the inline voltages with a exact tracks in series. It make electrrcal sense to me?
I know our 220 is 180 out of phase. He told me they have Hot neutral and a ground.
If I double the resistance acress the inline voltage, I dont see how it will not split voltages.
Sorry to be stubborns. I know you know are stuff more than me. But it seems to be a simple series circuit?
Let me ask you this. If he has 220, and I took 2 120 volt bulbs and wired them in series, and applied his 220, would they not both get 110/120 V?
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Big Tom
I believe China is like EU the 220 feed is on the same line we split the diff in the US.
They would just need to connect the 220 to the load side and and connect the neutral return to the return side of the tape.
http://www.calorique.com/documents/TIS/Tis104A1.pdf
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Jeremy
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>>I believe China is like EU the 220 feed is on the same line we split the diff in the US.
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>>They would just need to connect the 220 to the load side and and connect the neutral return to the return side of the tape.
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>>http://www.calorique.com/documents/TIS/Tis104A1.pdf
YES, 1 hot 1 neutral in China.
I'll have to reas up on calorique? But again, since there is just resistance in the circuit it really is effectively a DC circuit in principle.
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Big Tom
>>I'll have to reas up on calorique? But again, since there is just resistance in the circuit it really is effectively a DC circuit in principle.
I don't believe it matters if the product is run off a DC power supply. Like you mentioned there is nothing in the cicuit that matters but none of thier product pages mention DC operation. It is enarinatly possible, I wonder how much more effective the product without the cycles.
I'm not the man just a fellow herper helping someone out as best I can.
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Jeremy
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0.1 Suriname RTB
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3.6.11 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child
Sorry it is NOT DC. I think I said effectively DC , since just resistance.
It is AC. 220 1 hot 1 neutral 1 ground. CHINA
But i still do not see why the US would be an issue. Now you kow I'm going to try this soon lol
Thanks Much
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom
>>hay gang, been soem time since I posted here. I have a friend on 220 volt system, and has a hard time finding 220 volt flexwatt.
>>
>>I told him if he splits the 220 over 2 identical length, and same width, strips of flexwatt, it will split the line voltage of 220 to apply 110 volts to each. I think what is confusing him, is flex is it's own parellel curcuit of resistance.
>>
>>So, what ya think?
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>>Thanks for reading.
>>Big Tom
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>>www.HerpZillA.com
>>www.HerpHelp.com
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom
My humble opinion is that it will work as long as the heater is rated such that 220V will not arc through the laminate. Yeah, I know you are splitting the voltage, but still. Since you have 220 on it, you don't want the potential to pass current through the laminate to metal tape or whatever metal may be nearby. I think Flexwatt laminate can handle 220V, but you need to be certain.
I admire your idea very much, but I wouldn't do it. I would rather take a 110V leg from the 220V source and use that. Having the Flexwatt be the splitter is a potential safety hazard. You know how herpers are. Dragging boxes right over Flexwatt and such. Split the voltage first, then feed the heater I would say.
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Mark
Interesting point on the 220 potential. But I think code requires all coating to rate over 3x the actual voltage?
But that siad, that is getting close expected tolerances.
No split in China. Just 220.
Nice catch on the application.
Big tom
>>My humble opinion is that it will work as long as the heater is rated such that 220V will not arc through the laminate. Yeah, I know you are splitting the voltage, but still. Since you have 220 on it, you don't want the potential to pass current through the laminate to metal tape or whatever metal may be nearby. I think Flexwatt laminate can handle 220V, but you need to be certain.
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>>I admire your idea very much, but I wouldn't do it. I would rather take a 110V leg from the 220V source and use that. Having the Flexwatt be the splitter is a potential safety hazard. You know how herpers are. Dragging boxes right over Flexwatt and such. Split the voltage first, then feed the heater I would say.
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>>Mark
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom
>>Interesting point on the 220 potential. But I think code requires all coating to rate over 3x the actual voltage?
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I believe that I've read that somewhere but can't remember exactly. Many specs show more than 3x as you said for 120V-rated materials (like the plastic on lamp sockets, etc).
>>But that siad, that is getting close expected tolerances.
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>>No split in China. Just 220.
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Oh. See? What do I know?
>>Nice catch on the application.
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>>Big tom
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>>>>My humble opinion is that it will work as long as the heater is rated such that 220V will not arc through the laminate. Yeah, I know you are splitting the voltage, but still. Since you have 220 on it, you don't want the potential to pass current through the laminate to metal tape or whatever metal may be nearby. I think Flexwatt laminate can handle 220V, but you need to be certain.
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>>>>I admire your idea very much, but I wouldn't do it. I would rather take a 110V leg from the 220V source and use that. Having the Flexwatt be the splitter is a potential safety hazard. You know how herpers are. Dragging boxes right over Flexwatt and such. Split the voltage first, then feed the heater I would say.
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>>>>Mark
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>>Thanks for reading.
>>Big Tom
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>>www.HerpZillA.com
>>www.HerpHelp.com
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Mark
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