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The recent captive syspila posts have inspired me to show off a few of mine.

Let me start off with a 2007 hypo that was produced by Jeff Hardwick
She’s a beat and takes f/t pinks right off the tongs

Here is a cb locality female that I produced this year…my first syspila clutch!
I absoulately LOVE this little girl, she eats like a corn snake and is getting brighter with each shed.

Here is a male that I held back from the same clutch as the female above.

This is a 2006 locality female produced by Jeff Hardwick…shes a screamer!

I will make another post after sheds!

Yeah man!,...

Those are some pretty little gems!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

...someone would get us back to syspila, lol. Nothing against Hondurans, but as Nathan said, the nicest ones are the wild phenotypes...

Nice snakes Dean. How's the hand?

Thanks...

The hand is still stiff and a bit achey with the cold weather.

"Hemotoxins are not a recreational drug"

Yeah, I just got tagged by a Timber Rattlesnake on Sept. 11th. I spent 4 nights in ICU and was released on the 5th day. I did well throughout and other than some nerve damage and the cold weather-induced pain that you also seem to have, I'm fine. I don't insurance right now though, so this should set me back for a while...

Oh Man, I know the feeling.I wa tagged by a stephnsi in (98) and was lay up in ICU for about three days.After the tenth vile of anti-venom I had allergic reactions to it so they had to stop and I had to suffer for a couple days.It really sucked.
Anyway, get better man,

Shannon

What are all you guys doing playing with fire like that. All I have to do is here about ONE story and I dont mess with em,lol. When are they coming out with a tri-colored rattler anyways??

It's called Crotalus willardi willardi...

Hey, I know it's a stretch, but it's kind of tri colored...redish...brownish...and grayish...

How's about this one for a shot of tricolors...

Batesian Mimicry at it finest...

And hell, while I'm this much off topic I might as well throw in a pic of this gravid female that we found the night after the smaller one above...

You KEPT this wc coral snake to have it lay for you? Not sure what thats all about, makes me think maybe you also kept the willardi(?). I am just saying to the average person looking at the pic of that coral it is not obviously gravid...With the topic of being bitten by hots here I just wanted to question the need.Jeff...ps, a red pygmy is the closest thing to a tricolor rattla

I mean, seriously? Are you kidding me? You're accusing me of collecting a willardi because you think that I collected a Coral Snake because you don't think it's gravid based on the one picture that you saw? Really? That's pretty assinine Jeff.

The Coral looks gravid in the pic if you ask me...Regardless, no... niether the willardi nor the second Coral were collected. However we did collect some stuff on that trip, all of which went to a jar. Any problems with that too? I don't know if you were serious or kidding, but please don't ever accuse me of collecting a protected species again. I am a permit holder in that state and I'd never break the law.

Now, back to regular scheduled programing...

PS- Pigmies aren't as tricolored as many lepidus morulus...

as I stated, is morulus. Here is one that my buddy Eli found and photographed...

I thought some of the leps that have been showing up on the grayband forum were but that is truly beautiful. Those ambers are amazing.
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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that thing is sweet.........and those corals......mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm good.........I know alot of people that really want good corals like that..and rattlers.......never see them at shows here in Pa ,,just the uglier eastern corals that look all sad and wild....hey...they are........

........NICE stuff..........what state?........

JY
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I mean, seriously? Are you kidding me? You're accusing me of collecting a willardi because you think that I collected a Coral Snake because you don't think it's gravid based on the one picture that you saw? Really? That's pretty assinine Jeff.

The Coral looks gravid in the pic if you ask me...Regardless, no... niether the willardi nor the second Coral were collected. However we did collect some stuff on that trip, all of which went to a jar. Any problems with that too? I don't know if you were serious or kidding, but please don't ever accuse me of collecting a protected species again. I am a permit holder in that state and I'd never break the law.

Now, back to regular scheduled programing...

PS- Pigmies aren't as tricolored as many lepidus morulus

Now I may have been fast with the math there and I do believe there are many good reasons to keep what you find.... sometimes....my point was referring back to the fact that alot of guys were getting bitten by HOT snakes. I was commenting on the behavior and how it LOOKED here on a public forum. I dont think there are many good reasons to keep gravid and baby coral snakes because of just such a problem. I didnt accuse you of anything, I just pointed out how it could be interpreted. I just suggest that you keep some of these things to yourself rather than giving anyone else any bright ideas....Not to say they could find any coming to this site,lol. Understand? WE COOL? I would LOVE to find one of those in a AZ hunt, one for the life list! Jeff

What a cop out. Let me see if I have this, you make an obvious yet implicit indictment of me based off of very faulty premises and when you get called on it you crawfish and claim that you weren't trying to accuse me of collecting the willardi and even the Coral...? Even if I did collect that gravid Coral, what business is it of yours to judge me if it was legal. All I did was post a picture of a gravid coral snake. I never said it was collecting or not, I never gave any details, you assumed all of that. Please don't preach to me anymore, I've already spent A LOT of time debating this exact issue on other forums and I've already come to my philisophical conclusion on that one.

Anyway, I'm not upset nor do I take internet BS personally, but you can't call me out when it's not warranted.

What a cop out. Let me see if I have this, you make an obvious yet implicit indictment of me based off of very faulty premises and when you get called on it you crawfish and claim that you weren't trying to accuse me of collecting the willardi and even the Coral...? Even if I did collect that gravid Coral, what business is it of yours to judge me if it was legal. All I did was post a picture of a gravid coral snake. I never said it was collecting or not, I never gave any details, you assumed all of that. Please don't preach to me anymore, I've already spent A LOT of time debating this exact issue on other forums and I've already come to my philisophical conclusion on that one.

Anyway, I'm not upset nor do I take internet BS personally, but you can't call me out when it's not warranted.

If I put that pic up in front of 100 milksnake guys(milksnake forum)how many would have guessed it was gravid? Following a post on snake bite, I commented on the fact that collecting/keeping/hatching baby coral snakes was not a smart idea. I also implied the same thing about said rattler. It seems like I struck a chord because my words were simple,with ?s at the end of the sentence.Go back and re-read it. Instead of explaining yourself you got on a soapbox.I suggest its you that is preaching........I never judged you,only asked what it was you were doing with a gravid coral snake.I didnt ask anything about permitting or what you ate with your cornflakes.Time to refill your prescription,lol.I dont take the internet BS personally either.

You were presumptuous. I made a post with pics to share with you, and you basically took a crap all over me. Anyway, don't worry about it. I'm not interested in carrying on about it any longer. That's a screamin pinstripe syspila that you posted above...

It's to bad this thread degenerated into finger pointing.

Because those three photos are awesome, w/ the last two Coral shots being outstanding. The pyromelana & euryxanthum(?) found together has got to be a rare find, but then to find a gravid Coral also. Someone is living right.

Jeff, I've got to say, you do seem to always be backed into a corner defending something you said.
Just something to think about, slow down and reread what you write before you post.
I find it helps me. Not always, but often enough.

Now lets see your hypo. syspila. Do you keep any other syspila?

-Dell

New camera, dial up connection, and the bigger hypo is in shed but I will do my best when she gets out. My point was valid, its not a very good idea for MOST people to keep a gravid coral snake. That was the logical conclusion I got from reading that post because that snake is not obviously gravid(as stated in the original post). The post also followed 2 good guys were talking about being hospitalized from bites. I met Shannon, and consider him a friend, think about his 5 little girls and shake my head.
Dell my sarcasm doesnt translate well sometimes, but the better friends I am with someone the more I tell him bad things about his mama,lol. We are snake guys, not midol-taking wussies right? Arguements arent bad things as long as its not taken personally,and it wasnt. We each have valid points.
Will have some new and better pics soon as I figure out the camera and these little bastards sit,stay and roll over.Jeff

Sarcasm, being ironic, is a tough thing to get across in a post. Even if you know the person well. It tends to read as a taunting remark. Only my two cents worth.

I can certainly understand the camera thing and photos of snakes. Some of the snakes in my collection I want to drop kick after trying to take photos of them.
And my camera is still smarter then I am, but I'm trying to catch up to it.
-Dell

Nice! More syspila, yessss.
I seem to remember back about a year ago, someone complaning about syspila & why would anyone keep such a common milk.

Who ever that was, I hope has seen this last few weeks of posts.

If you keep milks and like NA milks, how could you not have syspila in your collection. After all these great photos of w/c or c/b animals.(Well,I know I can answer that myself. But you get what I mean.)

Love the hypo photo Dean, but # 2 is the knuckle biter for me.

-Dell

But I never see the ones I want available. Too often I see all those nice pics of snakes that were just found under a rock and left there.....yet the ones that are produced and available are too often "unspactacular" or "generic". I have the same hypos from Jeff, and have had some KILLER reds over the years, but its something you just cant describe in words....only you know it when you see it. I remember Kirk Setser having alot of REALLY nice reds, but most are those "generic" KS specimens. Personally, I am trying to find some of those real nice red intergrades to triangulum from Alabama, but its a long way from Mass. to try and find em. If anyone has any kindly let me know,thanks,Jeff

Jeff,
You aren't the only one. Those N. Alabama syspila are gorgeous,
and you never see them available.
-Phil
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If you Yahoo! Myspace!

...are a [bleep] to find. Curious, what's so neat about triangulum syspila intergrades? The KS milks that you saw from Kirk were most likely Wyandottes b/c there aren't many places in KS that consistently produce nice syspila. The simple fact of the matter is that if you want nice reds, ya had better collect them yourself or find someone who's willing to do it for ya...

Kirk's reds, the ones I liked most, were from MO and IA not so much KS or AK. Like anything else in life, doing it yourself is almost always the case. With such variability its almost impossible to describe what the eye likes in words....I can find eastern milks with the best of em, but cant find a coastal plains to save my life....I guess you just have to BE THERE and the more chances you get, the more you find, the better chances of you finding something you like. Boy those are pretty snakes though,huh..J

Ah, MO...That makes much more sense. He had some SCREAMER MO milks. I know just what you mean as far as having unique preferences in syspila...I have a few of my own. Temporalis are not an easy animal to find, so don't feel too bad. You'll get one eventually...It's like Pales; you spend enough time in their habitat and you're bound to cross one or two...

they tell me if there is alot of rain in the spring the milks will be up in the east......if dry they just stay down too much........yet I know people that find easterns in Pa on some of the hottest and dryest days in summer ,,just laying around or crossing a hot road?...go figure......

and for the record........I don't get out at all ......and haven't found a milk since I was a kid ,,and they were all babies under rocks.....(worm hunting for fish bait)....I am stuck buying them.....

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To find milks...You need a few variables to be filled in. First off, you need a good week or two of cinsistant 45 degree and above night temps. Day temps don't matter if the night temps are in the 50s and low 60s. Even if the day temps are in the 90s, the snakes will still be around.

Rain is also an important factor...of course. Springs are generally wet enough though where ever you'd be able to find a milk surface active anyway. BUT...moisture becomes an issue dring the summer months. Milk hunting changes drastically during these months...

As far as habitat for triangulum...there's one thing that seems ubiquitous among the eastern half of the US's population of milk snakes- prairie grass. P grass is an indicator of good sun exposure...For easterns, it's good to find a heavily wooded area with open abandoned lots with old farm buildings and abandoned farmsteads. Focus on these areas during mid April - mid May and I bet you'll score...

>>Kirk's reds, the ones I liked most, were from MO and IA not so much KS or AK.

Uhhh... just for the record AK = Alaska. But you knew that right? Ken

Dean - thanks for posting the photos! Man, I love syspila. Are the locality animals all Perry Lake, KS critters?

-Cole