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Need help with Genetics??

wildsidepets Dec 04, 2007 11:20 AM

Not very good in the genetic area, but if anyone could help me figure out what the percentage of babies would be if My albino male bred my labyrinth female. I don't know their backgrounds at all. Both were rescues. I am highly doubting the male has anything special but the female I was told from the previous owner who had to get rid of her quick, paid a pretty penny for her when she was just a baby.
My guess is i will only get het. labs (not sure how the whole lab gene works, heard you have to have a lab and a het. lab to make labs) but what would be the percentage? And can anyone give me a guess at what they think these two could produce??
thanks
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1.1.0 Pastel Columbian Boas
1.2.0 Burmese Pythons (Albino. Green, Labryinth.)
1.4.0 Cal King
1.1.0 Corn
1.0.0 Red Tegu
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.2.0 Dogs (English Mastiff. Jack Russel, lab mix)
1.0.0 Cat

Replies (11)

HappyHillbilly Dec 04, 2007 04:56 PM

No sense in wasting your time, just ship that female labyrinth to me and forget about it. Ha! Ha!

I am NOT a genetics wizard, by far. Genetics is probably my worst area. If I'm wrong someone will correct me and we'll both learn something.

I'm pretty sure the offspring will be normals that are 100% het for albino and 100% het for labyrinth. It is what you do with the offspring where you start getting visible results. So you're basically looking at a 4yr project that could be worth the time & effort.

My male/female adults are just that. Both of them are both 100% het albino & 100% het labyrinth. They look like normals except a little lighter in color. They produced their first clutch last year & after I made a series of blunders I ended up with 5 hatchlings; 3 labyrinth, 1 albino and 1 normal.

You could take a few of the offspring and breed them with each other; breed 'em with parents; find non-related, same type hets to breed 'em with; breed with other albinos or labyrinths.

Have a good one!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

wildsidepets Dec 04, 2007 05:24 PM

, I hope then the female maybe het. albino. I am at least hopeing to get some albinos. I am breeding them for fun but also to have them support themselves. I like them too much to give them up. But normal hets. may not go for much or very fast. And I really doubt my husband would let me keep 2 more snakes seeing he already would like to see more go, lol.
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1.1.0 Pastel Columbian Boas
1.2.0 Burmese Pythons (Albino. Green, Labryinth.)
1.4.0 Cal King
1.1.0 Corn
1.0.0 Red Tegu
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.2.0 Dogs (English Mastiff. Jack Russel, lab mix)
1.0.0 Cat

HappyHillbilly Dec 04, 2007 06:27 PM

Post a photo of the female and we'll see if we can tell if it's a possible albino het. I'd love to see a pic of it anyway, if you can & don't mind.

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

wildsidepets Dec 04, 2007 07:01 PM

hope you can see it
Link

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1.1.0 Pastel Columbian Boas
1.2.0 Burmese Pythons (Albino. Green, Labryinth.)
1.4.0 Cal King
1.1.0 Corn
1.0.0 Red Tegu
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.2.0 Dogs (English Mastiff. Jack Russel, lab mix)
1.0.0 Cat

HappyHillbilly Dec 04, 2007 07:51 PM

She's pretty! Nice lookin' snake.

How long is she? Looked to be around 7ft or so.

In that pic, to me, she doesn't look like she's het for albino but that's not to say she's not. It could just be that photo but what I'm going by is how dark the medium-brown tones are. Hets for albino usually have more of a golden color. You can scroll down the thread list and look at one of Grotesburgess' recent posts where she posted a photo of her burmese. It has a golden glow to it that's typical in hets fof albino. But even still, that's not to say that it is in fact an albino het. It all has to proven thru breeding.

Here's a link to my adult burmese: www.happyhillbilly.com/snakes/index.html Those pics are about a year or so old.

Here's a link to their babies: www.happyhillbilly.com/snakes/baby_burms/

Thanks for sharing the photo! Don't get to see many grown labyrinths for some reason.

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

wildsidepets Dec 04, 2007 08:23 PM

Nice pics. The parents are nice looking! May I ask how much you paid?? Not quite sure what I would sell normal hets for. i have only seen labs and they are $400 . Wasn't going to sell them for that much if I got any. Even thou they are worth it i don't have the room to keep them for too long.
My female is about 10 feet. She does look small in the picture for some reason. Must be the way she is coiled. She is in a descent size tank too.
She gave me 18 eggs last year, I didn't do anything and didn't realize she was gravid. She has plently of bulk and hid it from me, so my male didn't fertilize them. I am brumating them together now so hopefully this spring she will drop healthy eggs. Couldn't believe how big the eggs were and they weren't even fertile. thanks for the pics, i hope if I do get normal het. they look as nice as yours.
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1.1.0 Pastel Columbian Boas
1.2.0 Burmese Pythons (Albino. Green, Labryinth.)
1.4.0 Cal King
1.1.0 Corn
1.0.0 Red Tegu
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.2.0 Dogs (English Mastiff. Jack Russel, lab mix)
1.0.0 Cat

HappyHillbilly Dec 04, 2007 09:19 PM

Thanks for the compliments on my snakes. I really lucked out on 'em.

After searching locally for one for my son's 6th birthday we drove 2hrs to a big city I felt I had a chance at finding one. Pet stores wanted too much so as a last minute effort I picked up a local classified magazine and there was an ad for "Burmese Python Hatchlings" at $65 each. Called the guy & asked if he had male & female since they were so cheap. Met him in K-mart parking lot, we talked for a few minutes and when I went to pay him he said to just give him $120, $60 each.

Started to walk away and he said, "Oh, yeah, those are het for albino & labyrinth." I told him that didn't matter to me, I just want a nice lookin' burmese, which they were.

Needless to say, I'm anxiously lookin' forward to this season to see if the same pattern ratio holds out (3,1,1).

I see a few hets floating around in kingsnake.com's classifieds here & there and I think they're going for about $100 each. Somewhere near there.

I wish you plenty of success with breeding 'em this season. Keep us updated. Oh, and thanks again for sharing the photo of your lab, I appreciate it.

Catch ya later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

wildsidepets Dec 05, 2007 08:28 AM

That is an excellent deal. i think I still beat you, Got my Lab at 7 feet for $60 with a 55 gl tank and everything. We were working on opening our petshop and it was 1am. the Guy saw the door open and asked us if we wanted it. His girl just had a baby and said she didn't want it in the house. So he put in the garage (it was fall and there was no heat on her!) We went there that night and paid for her no questions asked. Took a look at her when we got her home and thought there was something different about her. Asked a buddy of ours that was all into burms and he knew right away she was a lab. It was pretty cool, thats usually not our luck, lol.
I am hopeing to be able sell them for $75-100. ANywhere between 100 and 200 is what i was hopeing depending on what I got. I would like to be able to get new cages for them. I am borrowing my friend's 6' vision but i am not impressed with them. Too much ventilation, my house is very dry and at least 3x a day I have to mist them. I have been looking into Boaphile cages. The other down fall with vision is you can only stack the same sized tank, with boaphile they show different models and different sizes together. A big plus for me and they about the same price. Hopefully I can get enough cages for all my snakes.
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1.1.0 Pastel Columbian Boas
1.2.0 Burmese Pythons (Albino. Green, Labryinth.)
1.4.0 Cal King
1.1.0 Corn
1.0.0 Red Tegu
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.2.0 Dogs (English Mastiff. Jack Russel, lab mix)
1.0.0 Cat

HappyHillbilly Dec 05, 2007 10:07 AM

Yes ma'am, you win - hands down!!! Hahaha!!!

But I have to say that my heart breaks for the fella that had to get rid of her like that. But we'll do anything for "love." Unless you've been married for awhile, of course. (Man, I hope my wife doesn't read this. She just thinks I'm hard of hearin'.)

I am glad you got a great deal and it sounds like the snake lucked out just as well, getting a good home & all.

Somebody will be drop in here before too long & let us know whether or not I'm right about the genetics. I've kept snakes for 40yrs but never got into the genetics or much into the various morphs of various species. Never had much of an interest in it or a need to know as I've always liked normals best, for the most part. But labyrinths and albinos (either normal albino or lab. albino) are my favorite burmese morphs. They can have the rest of 'em.

Later!
Mike
(HH)
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

artinscales Dec 05, 2007 12:08 PM

Albino to labyrinth will result in normal looking, het for albino and labyrinth. If the laby is het albino 1/2 of the clutch will be albino het labyrinth and the other 1/2 will be normal looking het albino and labyrinth.

Mike, stop doubting yourself. You were right.

I like all of the burm morphs including normals, but I think the labyrinth is my favorite. It's definitely Michelle's favorite. She keep telling me that when we get labyrinth into the dwarf's, she wants a dwarf labyrinth.

Later,
Randy
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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

HappyHillbilly Dec 05, 2007 06:37 PM

Thanks, Randy!
I just wanted to make sure I didn't mislead anyone since genetics isn't my cup of tea. But I'm a learnin' it. Ha!

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

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