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Yellow FL Kings& their wild counterparts

FoxTurtle Dec 04, 2007 07:34 PM

This is partially in response to Zfelicien's request for information on Sulfur kings.

Mine sulfurs are from Len Krysko's line, which originated from the coastal lowland region of Southern Hillsborough County. Similar to kingsnakes in Dade County, the kingsnakes in Hillsborough ranged from ugly/below average looking Florida kings to amazing, spectacular specimens. According to some collectors, this used to be the best area from light colored/yellow kingsnakes. Unfortunately, its slim pickings these days. I've found 2 kings in the area over the past 4 years, and neither were high yellow.

Here are two Hillsborough kings, both owned by Lindsay Pike. The light colored king in the picture was captive bred by Len Krysko. The darker king was caught in the same spot as one of Len Krysko's founder animals.

Andy Barr had a similar line of kings from this area that he called dream kings. While it seems he has always stated these were pure Florida kings, quite a few people seem to think he crossed his line into goini, albino cal kings or whatever. Most herpers familiar Andy's stuff seem to doubt its purity.

There were also some sulfur looking kings found in Central Dade County, though I don't know that many of them made it to captivity. A friend of mine just found a king in the same spot that these were found... he gave it to me... here it is:

Absolutely hideous...

The sulfur lavenders being bred these days probably trace back to Hillsborough County kings, though the lavender gene was probably introduced from some other locality, and there certainly has been doubt cast on the history of the lavender gene in Florida kings (there are some that were definitely speckled crosses, some definitely cal crosses).

I think my point in all this, somehow, is that beautiful and ugly kingsnakes come from the same spots, breed to together in the wild, and find their way into my collection... and Len Krysko bred some kickass kingsnakes. Here are a few more pics...

My F1 male Hillsborough king from Krysko's line:

A female Hillsborough king that I caught:

An adult Dade County male from Krysko's line:

and a yellow, but not extremely bright colored wild caught Hillsborough king I photographed at Crimsonking's... I always thought this snake was awesome.

Replies (9)

kevine Dec 04, 2007 08:54 PM

Great info Nick. Man, that Hillsborough sulfur is really amazing. You just gotta love the diversity of these things. Kevin

DanielsDen Dec 04, 2007 10:27 PM

Wow...those sulfer kings are really nice. I hunted in the Hillsborough County area for over thirty years and probably caught a total of 15 kingsnakes, and most of them coming in the first 15 years. by far the majority I saw were like the yellow one in your last photo. It would be interesting to here some of the thoughts on what happened to the kings in Hillsborough county. I think the last one I seen was around 1987 and it was one of the darker ones.

fliptop Dec 05, 2007 11:04 AM

Not sure why you think that Dade king is hideous. I think it's beautiful, possibly my fave out of them all. Do you plan on keeping it? Is it a male?

FoxTurtle Dec 05, 2007 09:58 PM

It is a male. I do have a breeding project in mind for him, but first I need to get a wild caught Dade County female or two.

I've caught a hundred Florida kings from the canefields that look just like that one, so it just doesn't stand out to me.

Bluerosy Dec 05, 2007 12:43 PM

Have you ever seen Len Kryscos screaming sulfur? It was almost straight yellow with no pattern. Does anyone have a pic of this snake? Thats why I would consider all sulfurs to be 50% since the original was bred to something else to produce the ones you have pictured.
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" there is really no such thing as an expert keeper/breeder, but there are those who let the snakes be expert at being snakes."-Frank Retes

FoxTurtle Dec 05, 2007 07:16 PM

I don't have any pictures of Len Krysko's screaming sulfur, but I'll see if I can track some down.

Bluerosy Dec 05, 2007 08:12 PM

Posted by: FoxTurtle at Wed Dec 5 19:16:20 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

I don't have any pictures of Len Krysko's screaming sulfur, but I'll see if I can track some down.

That would be terrific!
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" there is really no such thing as an expert keeper/breeder, but there are those who let the snakes be expert at being snakes."-Frank Retes

ZFelicien Dec 05, 2007 03:02 PM

Very nice comparison shot!

Thanx for sharing the info.

~ZF
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Comprehend better than MOST... but i'm NOT claiming to be an expert...

antelope Dec 05, 2007 08:58 PM

Couple generations on that last one could throw some really nice ones, I bet! I like 'em all so those ugly ones and truly hideous ones you can send to me!
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