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strictly4fun Dec 04, 2007 08:24 PM

possible jungle female last week and took pics the day I got her and today and she looks dark so prolly going into shed since I have fed her twice since her arrival. Crappy pics as usual and can't capture her bright tail color

last weeks pics

today's pics and she seems to be getting some subtle peaches coming in but she is still pretty small and was a slim fast diet at her old residence

and I also got a male het hypo from Mike from his breeding loan with Dave. He has this nice red hue tint thing going on over his body that you just can't see and seems to glow in person under nice light and here are a couple of pics that do no justice just embarrassment of my photo skills

thanks for looking and sorry for the long post
Bob

Replies (14)

rainbowsrus Dec 04, 2007 10:20 PM

Thought you got swayed over to the dark side!!!

Nice looking pos jungle, I see a lot of good stuff in there....

I always find it funny that breeders seem to underfeed (IMO) their for sale babies.

Looks like you got a realy nice het!!! Comes from good stock I guess!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

strictly4fun Dec 04, 2007 10:48 PM

cuz after getting my pair of double het sunglows that were "thin" in my opinion and he was feeding fuzzies to them. After I got them they were about 4 months old too!!!!!!!! his holdbacks were on small rats They were however long about 30" in length and I saw the bottom side of the head on my female today on the glass and she looked like a monster She has put on great weight and enjoyed her first rat about a week ago which was I guess a medium don't know but should prolly weight it next time and she took it and looked for more but uhuhuhuh don't want lots of poop to clean My hypo brb said hell no last week to her first rat and this one was about a small rat and maybe she was intimidated. I let her through a shed and it was about 2 weeks since her last meal and she said no but happily took 3 big ole' mice two days later. So I am going to try to get a weanling rat next time and put some mouse scent from a box on it and press my luck. Rats certainly do make snakes grow. From the short time I have been feeding rats to my snakes I see vast improvement in size not fat. My possible jungle was so tiny when I got her and after two meals she doesn't look anything like before. My red hypo is in shed and I'm happy about that (more crappy pics lol) and her feeding response sucks but my double hets on the other hand. When feeding the male I toss the mouse in there and it doesn't finish tumbling from the throw and he is all over it. Well I could talk about these damn snakes all day long and I just fed the rodents so I guess I'll drink another cup of hot chocolate
Bob

rainbowsrus Dec 05, 2007 10:50 AM

I see so much written in the classifieds about raised slow. I find it almost funny. I say almost because it means the snake has been on a survival diet, not a growth one. While it's readily agreed that "power-feeding" is bad, nobody seems to think starvation feeding is bad. IMO, has to be a bell curve with power-feeding at one end and starvation feeding at the other. There has to be some point where BOTH ends are unhealthy for the animal. I've gotten in yearling Boas that were the same size as few month old hatchlings. Probably less of an issue for males, I know some breeders intintionally keep the males small, no need for another large snake to feed and clean when smaller one will do the same job.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

wvaherp Dec 05, 2007 02:44 PM

very funny dave, lol. i guess folks like me are in the middle, kinda like dusk i guess, lol. very nice BCC though bob. i'm stll trying to convince my girlfriend that she should let me get either a BCC or BCI to "expand my collection" lol
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the worlds smallest zoo!
0.1 wc girlfriend (wv mountain stock)
0.0.1 wc eastern garter (slim)
1.1 brb's (bianca & ziggie)
0.1 columbian rainbow boa (big momma)
1.0 betta (buddha)
0.0.3 crazy little field mice
1.0 pain in the @** cat (purdy)
0.0.1 kuhli loach
0.0.1 algae eater
constantly changing amount of fancy/feeder guppies
and growing...

strictly4fun Dec 05, 2007 03:03 PM

thanks but it's a bci not a bcc though, how you gonna mess that uplol I don't think the bcc have any morphs yet even though they do have some striped ones and a couple with some pattern missing on the dorsal but nothing proven I don't think. The bco's have the caramel albino and motley mutations. I don't know if it is proven or accepted in the bca community but Barry Miller has quite a few that have no dorsal pattern. You should get you a nice salmon for a pet I think and sorry for rambling
Bob

rainbowsrus Dec 05, 2007 03:51 PM

Shades of grey my friend!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

waspinator421 Dec 05, 2007 12:05 AM

Very nice new additions. The BRB is nice , and I see a vast improvement in your picture taking skills too.
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Aubrey Ross

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www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

strictly4fun Dec 05, 2007 02:47 PM

Actually I think those suck except for the jungle from over the top but I have been using the flash since it is to cold to go outside cuz I really like the outdoor pics much more. Here are a couple of pics I left out on accident and thanks for the compliments these pics seem to have the peachy patches coming in


thanks for looking fellas just fellas Aubrey and Aubrey you should have your friend post some pics one day of his brazilians (Jamie maybe from MCC I think it is)

natsamjosh Dec 05, 2007 06:49 AM

Hey, those pictures aren't bad at all. Very nice pair of snakes, I love the tail on the BC. What are the characteristics of a jungle? I'm familiar with some of the morphs, but I'm not sure how to tell if there is any level of the jungle expression in a BC.

Thanks for posting the pics, hope you get some hypo BRB's in the next few years!

Thanks,
Ed

strictly4fun Dec 05, 2007 02:57 PM

Some have blocky saddles, some have connected saddles, some have saddles that look like a chainlink pattern, some have striping of the tail (which is awesome), some have floating saddles that appear to have bubbles in them check out the first pick, thicker head stripes than normals (on top of head), some say "eyelashes" but I don't about that, some have at the beginning of the tail instead of tail blotches they resemble a chinese star with 6 sides and the best is insane coloring. Here's a pic of Phil Phoerner junlge which is the same litter where Dave got his pair of F2's from and the litter was produced by Mark Hauge if you're taking noteslol

a couple salmon jungles from Frank Martin

and Dave's female Bo Peep soon to be an absolute knockout
first showing that deep tail color

and one showing her subtles peaches and pinks that are gonna come in later

hope it helped you Ed

natsamjosh Dec 05, 2007 04:12 PM

Hmmmm, I guess I need to read more about it. If any one of the
features you mentioned is present, can you say it's a Jungle? Or do you have to have history on the snake? In other words, how can you know if the snake just has an abberantly wide head stripe vs. being a "Jungle?" Is the Jungle trait supposedly a type of incomplete dominance? (Seems like in the snake world co-dominant and incompletely dominant are used interchangably, which confuses me even more.)

Anyway, thanks for the explanation and the pics. Whatever they are, they are very nice boas.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Some have blocky saddles, some have connected saddles, some have saddles that look like a chainlink pattern, some have striping of the tail (which is awesome), some have floating saddles that appear to have bubbles in them check out the first pick, thicker head stripes than normals (on top of head), some say "eyelashes" but I don't about that, some have at the beginning of the tail instead of tail blotches they resemble a chinese star with 6 sides and the best is insane coloring. Here's a pic of Phil Phoerner junlge which is the same litter where Dave got his pair of F2's from and the litter was produced by Mark Hauge if you're taking noteslol
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strictly4fun Dec 05, 2007 06:21 PM

You have to know the lineage of the parents but since they are mostly from the Swedish line and not that many jungles are floating around. Even a low expression jungle will have more than a head stripe prolly at least one questionable saddle but mine has very nice tail color. If she is not a jungle then I have a tail as bright as any of the jungles in that litter and will produce very very very very very very very very red albinos and sunglows and the jungles were very nice in regards to color which is why I picked her out cuz of her lineage tracing back to the lipstick line and this is her father

I believe Ed that co-dominant means they have two visually distinguishable forms in the het and super such as Motley, Arabesques, and I think jungle. So I think they should be called co-dominant "mutations" and not co0dominant "trait" since traits are passed genetically and when a jungle is bred to a normal there is incomplete dominance in the offspring since there will be normals and jungles. When a super jungles mates to a normal there will be dominance cuz every boa will be a jungle. I think it matters if you say Jungle is co-dominant mutation instead of saying that the jungle trait is co-dominant cuz that is wrong. Does that make sense to you and I'm just taking a stab at this so don't think its right but I would love some correction though.
Bob

natsamjosh Dec 05, 2007 07:51 PM

The reason I questioned the use of the term co-dominant is because I believe it is not used properly in a lot of cases, or
at least it's not specific enough. The way I understand it is that there are alleles that are co-dominant and alleles that are incompletely dominant. The former means that each allele will fully express it's phenotype when heterozygous, while the latter will produce a *blend* between the two homozygous phenotypes. For example, say a flower's color is produced by incompletely dominant alleles. If the plant is homozygous for the "normal" allele, the flower color will be red; if homo for the "mutant" allele, the color will be white. If heterozygous, however, the flower's color can be any color "in between" red and white. (ie, a blend.) So I'm not sure there is a clear line between a "normal" and a "jungle", maybe just various levels of expression.
Some hets might favor the look produced by the "normal" allele, some might faver the "mutant" allele's phenotype. So my question, as with BRB coloration, is how the heck can you visually tell if the snake is a "Super" (ie, homozygous for the mutation) or a het that shows a very high level of expression towards the "mutant" allelle????? Or between one of those and a "phase"? Anyway, I think we are saying similar things, but it's getting late and I'm getting tired...

Thanks for the pics,
Ed

>>You have to know the lineage of the parents but since they are mostly from the Swedish line and not that many jungles are floating around. Even a low expression jungle will have more than a head stripe prolly at least one questionable saddle but mine has very nice tail color. If she is not a jungle then I have a tail as bright as any of the jungles in that litter and will produce very very very very very very very very red albinos and sunglows and the jungles were very nice in regards to color which is why I picked her out cuz of her lineage tracing back to the lipstick line and this is her father
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>>I believe Ed that co-dominant means they have two visually distinguishable forms in the het and super such as Motley, Arabesques, and I think jungle. So I think they should be called co-dominant "mutations" and not co0dominant "trait" since traits are passed genetically and when a jungle is bred to a normal there is incomplete dominance in the offspring since there will be normals and jungles. When a super jungles mates to a normal there will be dominance cuz every boa will be a jungle. I think it matters if you say Jungle is co-dominant mutation instead of saying that the jungle trait is co-dominant cuz that is wrong. Does that make sense to you and I'm just taking a stab at this so don't think its right but I would love some correction though.
>>Bob

strictly4fun Dec 05, 2007 08:16 PM

I'll round up some photos for you and try to find pics of a super or two but that might be tricky though so go get that beauty sleep
Bob

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