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I'm looking into buying this cornsnake. It's a male het anery and possibly others, but i'm curious about the dark stripes down the back that give it an almost motley look? Also curious about the amount of black to it, it's like its melanistic. Just lookin for some opinions!!

A lot of wild caught corns have that look (the dark colors, dark stripes, etc). As far as I know, it's a pretty common look for wild caughts, but I personally haven't seen any c.b. animals like that.

Just my opnion, but I would question the lineage of that one.
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Mike Heinrich,
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Yeah,....I've seen many animals that look identicle to that one, but all of them where wild-caught. That is a very common phenotype seen in the wild. I suppose it could be from a w/c x captive anery breeding, but that look is commonly seen in corns from the wild.

Although it is somewhat darker than most, the term "melanistic" would not apply here.

Like Mike H. stated,....I might tend to question the snake's lineage also,.....but it's not impossible the snake was captive born.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Well it's funny cause i thought WC as soon as i saw it, but the het. anery threw me for a loop. Figured it couldn't be WC if they had an idea on the genetics of the thing, and it deffinetly isn't WC around here, i'm in New Brunswick Canada. And i think a better term(if memory serves me correct)may have been hyper-melanistic! Thanks for the clarification! I'm still waiting to hear if the girl still has it, but hopefully i'll have it to breed to my snow.

lots of older-esp male-normals develop that type of coloration. its not unusual.
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Austin Herp. Soc.

Both wild and captive bred snakes can gain dark pigment as they age (assuming they are not amel). It is not uncommon for "stripes" to appear where the snake previously didn't have them. Here is a photo of my male bloodred, which is starting to get the stripes. I have a het creamsicle that's doing the same thing - both are captive bred.

Tim

Third Eye

Wouldn't have much to gain by claiming het anery if it wasn't. It's not going to give you a higher asking price since anerys are pretty cheap anyway.....who would want a male het anery when you can buy actual anerys all day long for $35-$45? Now if it was advertised as het amber stripe then I'd be a little cautious.

The fact that you can buy anery corns for $35-$45 from a large market of them may be true where you live, but here in New Brunswick Canada, thats not the case! If someone would export one from the states i wouldn't have a problem, and i might try and find something a little more interesting! But for now, i'll try and pick this one up considering i know the person is good with her animals!

Go for it!.....as I said in my earlier post, it could likely be a captive animal het for anery. The point got a little misunderstood by some,......... my point was that it was a look commonly seen in wild corns,which it is,......not that that look is NOT seen in captives. The fact is ANY cornsnake is cool to own, no matter what the phenotype/trait.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

That is a good point as well. Here are pics of some wc's I came across this past summer from here in Virginia.




healed scar on one

Wouldn't have much to gain by claiming het anery if it wasn't. It's not going to give you a higher asking price since anerys are pretty cheap anyway.....who would want a male het anery when you can buy actual anerys all day long for $35-$45?

That makes perfect sense...another question would be, why would someone breed an anery to a normal these days, surely an experienced corn breeder wouldn't do it because they wanted to produce some anery hets (for the exact reason you stated).

I say, question the breeder about the parents/lineage and you'll get a good idea of what you're dealing with by the answers they give you. I've seen some people label things as "het for something" just because they think they see some "influence" in the snake from a certain morph... being het for something like anery may not increase the value, but some people think being het for something helps sell normals faster....some people say anything to make a sale...
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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

>>Wouldn't have much to gain by claiming het anery if it wasn't. It's not going to give you a higher asking price since anerys are pretty cheap anyway.....who would want a male het anery when you can buy actual anerys all day long for $35-$45?
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>>That makes perfect sense...another question would be, why would someone breed an anery to a normal these days, surely an experienced corn breeder wouldn't do it because they wanted to produce some anery hets (for the exact reason you stated).
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>>I say, question the breeder about the parents/lineage and you'll get a good idea of what you're dealing with by the answers they give you. I've seen some people label things as "het for something" just because they think they see some "influence" in the snake from a certain morph... being het for something like anery may not increase the value, but some people think being het for something helps sell normals faster....some people say anything to make a sale...
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A lot of people breed anerys to normals for one simple reason....that's what they have.
Normals and anerys are extremely common and can be seen in any pet store that sells corns, along with amels and snows.
so, someone gets a normal and then they get an anery and down the road they decide they want to try their hand at breeding.
ask a simple question....how many people out there own normals and anerys?
It could also be het anery het amel....could have been a snow in there. I can remember back when people used to always recommend
breeding snakes to snows to find hidden genetics. Obviously there are way to many for that to work now but it was common advise a while back. AND that snake does look fairly old...so it may not have been "these days" it could simply be the by-product of a test breeding.
not everyone is in for the high priced morphs and money.
It is still just a hobby to a lot of keepers and breeders.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
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Draybars Snakes

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>>A lot of people breed anerys to normals for one simple reason....that's what they have.
>>Normals and anerys are extremely common and can be seen in any pet store that sells corns, along with amels and snows.
>>so, someone gets a normal and then they get an anery and down the road they decide they want to try their hand at breeding.
>>ask a simple question....how many people out there own normals and anerys?

That's why I say question the breeder. If you get those kind of straight answers, then you know what you're dealing with.
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Mike Heinrich,
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Mike@amazontreeboa.org
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