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I have been trying to find some info on Vanillas. I have seen Vanillas for sale and am wondering about this morph??? I have done a web search but can't seem to find any good info on them. What makes a "vanilla" a "vanilla".

Thanks for any info and if you know of a good site that has info, would love to be linked to it.
Thanks.

what makes a vanilla a vanilla? simple genetics. you get what you buy. you buy an animal that is ch, you probably aren't getting a vanilla. there's a reason there has never been a super vanilla imported, they just don't come in. if you want actual info here it is.

vanilla traits:
light head spot that expands as animal ages.
light ground color
abberant pattern (varies)
proven genetics from either gulf coast line or cypress creek line
produce killer combos
produce killer super

here are some pics

first is super vanilla ghost
second our male striped vanilla
3rd or female vanilla

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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I really don't see the "vanilla" thing! Not trying to be a d*ck, I just don't see it!

what don't you see, are you saying the super vanilla ghost isn't a super hot combo? I will admit, vanilla's aren't the hottest things on their own but in combos and the super and any combo with it is HOT in my opinion and alot of others.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Love that super vanilla ghost!! I like the vanillas, especially what they do when combined with other things. Just 'cause something doesn't pop out and smack you in the face doesn't necessarily mean it's worthless!

I agree totally that in the end it's going to be who breeds the best looking of the morphs, and adding a vanilla to the genetic mix is definately going to be a plus for a lot of morphs!

Thanks for sharing, I've been looking for some vanilla pics too.

~jenny
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Here's a beautiful (IMO) example of a Vanilla

the good description and pictures. I could not find any info and this helps a lot. Thanks.

Those snakes are beautiful!! I LOVE that striped male!! I can see where this morph is something worth using.

A vanilla is more of what I call a "tweeker" morph. It is very subtle but definatly genetic, when bred with other morphs it helps clean them up. What I like best about them is their super form is not a white snake, it is a VERY clean pastel, bumble,or whatever you breed it into. I was not sold on them until I saw what they make and fell into a pair in a trade, I watch as with each shed they get cleaner and cleaner. In my opinion, the ball python hobby is going to come down to who is making the best of each morph, that translates to selective breeding and making traits better and a vanilla does some neat stuff to known genetics.

That's fair enough! And a trade, would probably be the only way I would get into them, as I can't justify spending a considerable amount of money on a "subtle" trait!

that's fair but vanilla's aren't all that expensive now and the super version is far from subtle. We did buy into the project when it was first available and I'm glad we did. we will be one of only a small handful of people that will have a chance at producing super vanilla's this year. Also when people are just getting pastel vanilla's we will be working on producing super vanilla pastels and super vanilla ghosts and super vanilla ghost pastels. One look at the super vanilla pastel and you could see why I get soo excited about this morph. Also a real vanilla is no more subtle than a fire is.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

My Super Vanilla just Glows!!! There is nothing Subtle about him, and once people start seeing what the vanilla does when crossed with other Morphs, disbelievers will be singing a different tune. If you see them in person, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Eric Baker
Baker Reptiles

that is one of the nicest normals I've seen. It might be worth dinking with, lol.

great looking snake you got there and wish you the best of luck with it. I know we are looking forward to hatching out some supers and pastel vanillas this season.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Actually, we were speaking of the Vanilla, not the Super form, as being "subtle"!

so in your opinion the fire isn't as subtle as the vanilla? When you hatch a clutch of vanillas they are very easy to tell apart from the normal clutchmates just like the fires are. As they get older, they lighten up more and more. And add the unique super form and awesome combos how can anyone not like this morph(no other super even looks close unlike the super fire). All I can say is swing by gulf coasts tables in daytona this year and you will be able to see why we are sooo excited to be working with this morph.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I don't remember mentioning "Fire" anywhere? I'm glad your so excited to be working with the Vanilla's, they just don't "flip my switch"! I don't know what to tell you!

At the end of the day the pastel fire, fire fly, and fire yellow belly are a lot better looking than the vanilla version of each.
I will give it to you on the super, and the super ghost. They are both very cool combo's, but standard vanilla to fire, no contest!

It will be interesting to see what the whirlwind morph will do to the above combo's.
The fire superstripe should be produced this year, and will be insane!
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Meant to say ghost fire, not fire fly.
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J&J REPTILES
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All I can say is please come by GCR's booth in daytona at the next show. The pics I have available don't show everything these combo's have to offer. I have never said the fire crosses aren't good and quite honestly I bet we could put a fire pastel/fire ghost and vanilla pastel/vanilla ghost side by side and alot of people wouldn't be able to tell them apart. The thing that I believe sets the vanilla trait apart is the ability to go to the super level and when making designer snakes you don't want to limit yourself by possibly washing your color out by creating a lucy (I do love lucy's but there are alot of ways to make them). Again there will be combo's made this year that the fire has no chance of making and that is the added value of the vanilla morph over the fire in my opinion and yes I understand I won't be able to change your mind without being able to show you the snakes in person so please visit GCR at a show.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

" I can't justify spending a considerable amount of money on a "subtle" trait!"

Seems to me you were talking about the Vanilla Trait, and not being specific to just the vanilla form! What the Vanilla trait does when crossed into other morphs is not so subtle.

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