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Turtle/Tortoise restrictions by state

obakefan Dec 12, 2007 10:12 AM

Can anyone advise me where I could find a list of what turtles/torties are restricted as pets by state?

It's been several years an one major move to TN - I was told by one of the local city officials where I moved that I had to place my greek hatchlings and ornate boxies before I moved, which I did (though I was miserable having to do it). Only after I moved and found a new vet here did I find out that he keeps redfoots and greeks. Not shocking that officials didn't know what they were talking about regarding reptiles as pets.

I am interested in having a boxie again (if it's legal) and anticipate getting redfoot hatchlings when my vet's redfoots have a successful clutch (hopefully soon!)

Please advise.

Thanks for the help!!!

Obakefan

Replies (14)

kensopher Dec 12, 2007 12:07 PM

I feel your pain. When talking to individuals over the phone, make sure that you officially request references to the specific laws and regulations regarding turtles. This will force the person to either research the actual references or put you in touch with someone that is able. It is kind of a tricky way to be put in contact with a knowledgeable official.

The internet is a great resource. Almost every State has begun placing their regulations and laws on websites. It can be time consuming, but it is well worth the effort to find the actual written regs.. The regulatory body may be known under different names...Wildlife Resources Commission, Game Commission, Department of Natural Resources, etc.. Often, their websites have little "search" boxes where you can type the word "turtle" and receive several hundred references.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Peeperskeeper Dec 12, 2007 12:32 PM

Tennessee is almost as bad as Georgia
The Tennessee wildlife Resourses Agency 615-781-6580 is a good start.
Keep all reciepts and documatation. Most people wouldn't know a redfoot from a eastern box turtle with red coloring.
I know some people with turtles but they don't let it be common knowledge.

This is from their site:
My child wants to make a pet of a box turtle (or any wild animal) we found in the woods. How do I care for it?
In Tennessee, no one is allowed to keep any animal as a pet taken from the wild, which to many people's surprise includes tadpoles, frogs, lizards, snakes, turtles, baby birds, squirrels, raccoons, and young deer. If the animal is injured, call the nearest of TWRA's four Regional Offices for a list of permitted rehabilitators, who will keep the animal until it can be returned to the wild. If it cannot be returned, the rehabilitator will turn the animal over to someone with a special Educator's Permit, who may be able to use the animal in a classroom or teaching setting.
Link

obakefan Dec 12, 2007 12:53 PM

Thanks everyone. I'll stop by and talk to my vet Friday and see if his understanding about being able to keep captive-bred boxies is the same as I'm reading on the link. Hopefully it is.

I really appreciate it!

Obakefan

mj3151 Dec 12, 2007 06:00 PM

The last part of that excerpt really points out the absurdity and the irony of these kinds of laws. An adult private citizen in Tennessee, who may have plenty of room and the required knowledge and expertise to care for these animals, can't own them, but someone with a permit to use them for educational purposes can keep them in a crowded, inadequate habitat in a classroom, where they will be handled by children on a regular basis. Of course most of the existing regulations restricting the sale of turtles grew out of the Federal four-inch law that was enacted to keep children from handling turtles and being exposed to Salmonella to begin with. So the laws that began as an attempt to keep children from handling turtles are now taking turtles away from responsible adults and putting them in classrooms where they can be handled by the very children that they were meant to protect. I don't have a problem with turtles in educational settings as long as they're cared for adequately and have enough space. I just think all of these laws restricting private ownership of animals that are not endangered or threatened have way overreached the scope of their original intent.

chelonian71 Dec 14, 2007 11:26 AM

"The last part of that excerpt really points out the absurdity and the irony of these kinds of laws. An adult private citizen in Tennessee, who may have plenty of room and the required knowledge and expertise to care for these animals, can't own them, but someone with a permit to use them for educational purposes can keep them in a crowded, inadequate habitat in a classroom, where they will be handled by children on a regular basis. Of course most of the existing regulations restricting the sale of turtles grew out of the Federal four-inch law that was enacted to keep children from handling turtles and being exposed to Salmonella to begin with. So the laws that began as an attempt to keep children from handling turtles are now taking turtles away from responsible adults and putting them in classrooms where they can be handled by the very children that they were meant to protect. I don't have a problem with turtles in educational settings as long as they're cared for adequately and have enough space. I just think all of these laws restricting private ownership of animals that are not endangered or threatened have way overreached the scope of their original intent"

It's so odd that they tried so hard years ago to keep reptiles away from children, but at the zoo I went to (posted pics some time ago), they have an Aldabra tortoise that children can handle (and, as it turns out, I have read up on Aldabra, and they are well known ot LIKE attention, almost like dog likes being petted and having its ears scratched).

At the Aldabra tortoise exhibit, they do, however, have a sign that says that the USDA recommends sanitizing (they supply sanitizer at the exhibit) one's hands after touching Big Al, but I don't know whether everyone actually does it.

Chris_McMartin Dec 12, 2007 09:17 PM

>>This is from their site:

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>>In Tennessee, no one is allowed to keep any animal as a pet taken from the wild,

I know what their INTENT is, and this isn't an exact representation of the law, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone or some agency (PeTA/HSUS) tried to use this to argue an individual couldn't keep an animal (legally) wild-caught in another state/country, and brought into TN.

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I'm Not a Herpetologist, but I Play One on the Internet

StephF Dec 13, 2007 07:47 AM

Also from the source mentioned previously....

Per State Health Code of the TN Dept. of Health:

"May not sell, barter, exchange, or otherwise transfer any turtle (Chelonian) as a pet; or to transport or cause to be imported in the state for such purposes."

boxienuts Dec 13, 2007 12:57 PM

Fine!!! but how does that relate to keeping a CBB red foot?
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1.0 pastel ball python
0.1 mojave ball python
0.1 normal ball python
0.2 3-toed box turtles
2.3 eastern box turtles
0.0.5 3-striped mud turtle
1.0 northern diamondback terrapin
2.1 tiger salamander
1.1 red-sided garter
1.0 anerythristic red-sided garter
1.1 Iowa snow plains garter
1.1 Het butter stripe cornsnake
0.1 anerythristic motley cornsnake
1.1 Blue garter (Puget Sound)

boxienuts Dec 13, 2007 01:03 PM

If the guys vets red foots have babies in captivity, those babies havent been imported into the state, nor have they been taken from the wild...right?
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1.0 pastel ball python
0.1 mojave ball python
0.1 normal ball python
0.2 3-toed box turtles
2.3 eastern box turtles
0.0.5 3-striped mud turtle
1.0 northern diamondback terrapin
2.1 tiger salamander
1.1 red-sided garter
1.0 anerythristic red-sided garter
1.1 Iowa snow plains garter
1.1 Het butter stripe cornsnake
0.1 anerythristic motley cornsnake
1.1 Blue garter (Puget Sound)

StephF Dec 13, 2007 01:15 PM

You should probably direct your questions to the TN Wildlife Resources Agency or the TN Department of Health.

mj3151 Dec 12, 2007 12:59 PM

Laws and regulations restricting individual ownership of reptiles that aren't endangered or threatened are absurd and unenforceable. If you call a state agency asking for the particulars of reptile ownership regs and can't even find a person who is knowledgeable on the topic, that should be a clue as to how often they actually try to do any enforcement. If you don't call them, they'll never in a million years call you, and never in ten million years pay a visit to your house to check on your turtles. There are a lot of local regs around the country requiring licenses and rabies certificates for cats, but how many times have you heard of anybody being visited by an agency to check on their cats? Only when there are a hundred of them in a house and neighbors complain. If you're planning on keeping so many turtles that neighbors may notice and complain, you'll be in trouble, with or without a permit. If you're keeping a few for pets, nobody will know, unless you tell them. If you voluntarily call an agency about turtle ownership, you're shining a light on yourself and inviting them into your house to stick their noses into your business and their hands into your pocket. If you never call them, the worst that can happen is the one in ten million scenario that they do actually pay you a visit. Then you can claim ignorance of the law. If you call them, you can't claim ignorance any longer.

LisaOKC Dec 12, 2007 01:07 PM

AMEN! Lots of people have various kinds of turtles legitimately, they are sold at pet stores, reptile shows and offered up for adoption, etc.

I wouldn't have asked. I would have taken them with me and not advertised the fact that I had them. I would bet hundreds, if not thousands of people keep turtles in TN.

StephF Dec 12, 2007 05:02 PM

While I was at the Third Box Turtle Conservation Workshop, I picked up a draft summary of laws and regulation that was compiled by E. Lee of CT.

It is a summary, so I don't have a lot of detail to share.

Briefly, in Tennessee, you may not collect native T.c.carolina or T.c.triunguis (collection limit is zero), you may not possess any box turtle (or any Chelonian) (even if acquired out of state).

Apparently both the TN Wildlife Resources Agency and the TN Department of Health are the sources cited for these rules.

Hope that helps.

boxienuts Dec 12, 2007 06:02 PM

Just to add to what has already been said, I have a book that contains reptile laws and regs for every state, while it's impossible for a book to be 100% current, it appears that the state of Tennessee is most concerned with protecting all native wildlife from collection and possesion. Obviously a red foot isn't even native to this country, so I wouldn't worry a bit about keeping a red foot. Like some of the others stated there are many other more serious things to be enforced than "busting" a person for having a pet turtle. But if you aren't comfortable with that, I would stay away from easterns and 3 toes in Tenn. For example ornates are native and protected in my state so I have decided to stick with 3 toes and easterns, it's seems the general concensus is that they are hardier captives anyway so I'm fine with that and I have zero worries, but if I really, really wanted to keep ornates I would just keep it to myself. Now, if you lived in Tenn. and were selling lots of wild caught easterns on the internet...you might have reason to look over your shoulder.
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1.0 pastel ball python
0.1 mojave ball python
0.1 normal ball python
0.2 3-toed box turtles
2.3 eastern box turtles
0.0.5 3-striped mud turtle
1.0 northern diamondback terrapin
2.1 tiger salamander
1.1 red-sided garter
1.0 anerythristic red-sided garter
1.1 Iowa snow plains garter
1.1 Het butter stripe cornsnake
0.1 anerythristic motley cornsnake
1.1 Blue garter (Puget Sound)

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