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Here's two not-so-hot shots of a couple of WC tangerine hondurensis ladies I've been working with... just so we can remember what these awesome animals look like in their natural form. Both of these girls should breed this next season.

Note: both snakes exhibit a "hide the head" behavior

-Cole

Wow!,....those girls are sweet lookin'!....AND shy!

Do you know EXACTLY were they are from?

I'm in envy Cole!..LOL

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks, Doug! They certainly are shy girls. Hopefully some of my boys like them! They key as good hondurans, although one does show a more narrow, orange snout band with a characteristic stuarti "V" shape to it. Abutting subspecies intergrade broadly, and I think we're just starting to get a grasp on the range deliniations for the various Latin American forms. Williams' book is a good starting place, but as a few folks (like Scott Ballard, Jeff Hardwick, Nate Wells, and Shannon Brown) have been finding a few "mistakes".

I don't know where they were collected, to be honest. The only info I could get is that they were shipped out of NW Honduras. Political borders probably mean little to the locals of that region and animals from Guatemala and El Salvador likely end up in shipments along with specimens from the entire country of Honduras. I've seen animals that were shipped out of Honduras that key as hondurensis, polyzona, stuarti, and abnorma. It seems to be a sort of exportation hub from that portion of Central America.

-Cole

>>Thanks, Doug! They certainly are shy girls. Hopefully some of my boys like them! They key as good hondurans, although one does show a more narrow, orange snout band with a characteristic stuarti "V" shape to it. Abutting subspecies intergrade broadly, and I think we're just starting to get a grasp on the range deliniations for the various Latin American forms. Williams' book is a good starting place, but as a few folks (like Scott Ballard, Jeff Hardwick, Nate Wells, and Shannon Brown) have been finding a few "mistakes".
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>>I don't know where they were collected, to be honest. The only info I could get is that they were shipped out of NW Honduras. Political borders probably mean little to the locals of that region and animals from Guatemala and El Salvador likely end up in shipments along with specimens from the entire country of Honduras. I've seen animals that were shipped out of Honduras that key as hondurensis, polyzona, stuarti, and abnorma. It seems to be a sort of exportation hub from that portion of Central America.
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>>-Cole

Cole,....I totally agree with you on what you said about the export from those areas. The same goes for Boas and many other animals.

You can also add me to the list of folks that find discrepencies in ~Systematics by Williams~!!.....the text for the most part is correct, but some of the corresponding photos of the animals that are described, don't look anything close to his discriptive text at ALL!..LOL......makes for some real "HEAD SCRATCHING" at times!......and then there's variation within a ssp too, broken/partial nose bands slight RBR count differences that can broadly jive with several ssp as well. It really can make a guys head spin!!!..LOL.......I have discussed some of this with Scott, and Jeff myself.....sometimes the more you study the LESS you can actually KNOW!..LOL....I'll bet you can relate!

In any case, I like those animals WHATEVER "village" they're from!

I'll post some "unknowns" soon that I had a while back!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"