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hi all.i have a fairly interesting "problem" here.i got my mom a pair of lucy texas rats last year,(as an incentive to get outta burms,b/c there are'nt many things more annoying than driving 30 min to help put a 15' escapee back in her pen),and she bred them this year.this is the problem;out of the 9 hatchlings,3 had pink eyes.are they albino lucys,or what?the 3 were all males,if that matters.and no,no bug-eyes.thanks in advance!
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0.1 cb spotted turtle (parker)
0.0.6 wc baby stinkpots
0.0.1 cb peninsula cooter (gizmo)
0.0.1 wc yellow belly slider (snaps)
0.1 cb chocolate rosy boa (meghan)
1.0 cb coastal carpet python,brown & gold phase (keyser soze)
0.0.2 wc halloween crabs
0.2 irritating cats (sassy & miley)
2.0 cb children (sidney,12 & kaelan,4)
0.1 wc wife (danae,age withheld due to fears for personal safety)

Yes they are albino leucistics. The breeders must have been het albinos.
Ophidiophile Farms

Both parent's were apparently het for the albino trait. So that would make the other remaining siblings all "possible" hets, as there is no way of telling which ones could be recessive carriers for the amel trait. This can be proven with future test breedings.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

that's what i thought,i just was,nt sure if a snake could be both albino and luecistic.i wonder what the odds of getting 2 unrelated snakes from 2 different people(the male came from a small show in columbia,sc;the female from someone in california,off of kingsnake),and both being het for albino.neither was offered as het,i happened to pick these b/c they weren't bug-eyed.is there much of a price difference between blue-eyed lucys & albino lucys?also,my mom was considering breeding the albino yellow rat that i gave her for her birthday this year to her male lucy.if he is apparently het for albino,ishe should get albinos in the clutch,right?
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0.1 cb spotted turtle (parker)
0.0.6 wc baby stinkpots
0.0.1 cb peninsula cooter (gizmo)
0.0.1 wc yellow belly slider (snaps)
0.1 cb chocolate rosy boa (meghan)
1.0 cb coastal carpet python,brown & gold phase (keyser soze)
0.0.2 wc halloween crabs
0.2 irritating cats (sassy & miley)
2.0 cb children (sidney,12 & kaelan,4)
0.1 wc wife (danae,age withheld due to fears for personal safety)

>>that's what i thought,i just was,nt sure if a snake could be both albino and luecistic.i wonder what the odds of getting 2 unrelated snakes from 2 different people(the male came from a small show in columbia,sc;the female from someone in california,off of kingsnake),and both being het for albino.neither was offered as het,i happened to pick these b/c they weren't bug-eyed.is there much of a price difference between blue-eyed lucys & albino lucys?also,my mom was considering breeding the albino yellow rat that i gave her for her birthday this year to her male lucy.if he is apparently het for albino,ishe should get albinos in the clutch,right?
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>>0.1 cb spotted turtle (parker)
>>0.0.6 wc baby stinkpots
>>0.0.1 cb peninsula cooter (gizmo)
>>0.0.1 wc yellow belly slider (snaps)
>>0.1 cb chocolate rosy boa (meghan)
>>1.0 cb coastal carpet python,brown & gold phase (keyser soze)
>>0.0.2 wc halloween crabs
>>0.2 irritating cats (sassy & miley)
>>2.0 cb children (sidney,12 & kaelan,4)
>>0.1 wc wife (danae,age withheld due to fears for personal safety)

~~~ Yes, they can be both leucistic and albino at the same time, but the only difference you can actually SEE is the pink eyes from the albinism. As you mentioned,... although the snakes were bought from different people, these people could have very likely gotten the same stock from the same breeder(s), as this trait is also becoming more common in the hobby, and the leucistics also have been very inbred, which again tends to limit the genetic diversity. This in turn also raises the chances of acquiring the same bloodline from a large number of different breeders.

As far as a price difference between the two, I think the "pink-eyeds" are still going for a slightly higher price, due to the fact that they aren't quite as common in the hobby,...as of yet.

Assuming the other "leucy" is indeed het for amel(no way of knowing) the paired mating would produce a percentage of albinos since that albinism trait is compatible as far as I know(same allele locale on the chromosome). In my opinion, I would keep them as pure as possible, and NOT make more undiscernable intergrades. There is already WAYYYY to much of this in the hobby, and only further adds to the problem. As a matter of fact, the VERY SNAKES you mention are very questionable as to the purity of their lineage. Meaning possible influence from black rat lineage. These two snakes are virtually identicle in the leucistic form, and the albino trait of "obsoleta" is more than likely in many in the hobby as well.

Hope this helps some.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"