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Genetics ?

PhillyBoyInTN Dec 26, 2007 01:22 PM

What are the results and % of each for the following pairings:

Albino het Snow X DH Snow

Snow X Albino het Snow

Thanks in advance for the info.
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1.0 Columbian RTB - "Fedor"
1.0 Orange Ghost BP - "Charlie"
1.0 Mojave BP - "Jack"
3.0 Pastel BP - "Tito", "Cruz"(50% Het Ghost), "Jose"
1.0 100% Het Pied BP - "Logan"
1.0 100% Het Albino BP - "Mac"
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost - "Mya"
0.9 Normal BP - (3 poss het alb, 1 poss het pied)

"a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!" - joshhutto

Replies (21)

rainbowsrus Dec 26, 2007 01:40 PM

To do multi trait analysis, look at each trait seperately and multiply the results...

"Albino het Snow X DH Snow"
is..

Albino x het Albino = 1/2 albino, 1/2 het albino
+
het Anery x het Anery = 1/4 Anery, 3/4 66% het Anery

Combined together...

1/8 snow
1/8 Anery het Snow
3/8 Albino 66% het Anery
3/8 het Albino 66% het Anery

Same process...

"Snow X Albino het Snow"

is...

Albino x Albino = Albino
+
Anery x het Anery = 1/2 Anery, 1/2 het Anery

combined...

1/2 Snow
1/2 Albino het Snow
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

tyedor Dec 26, 2007 09:03 PM

pit bulls have a genetic tendency to attack smaller animals... i've seen it several times over. the sweetest pit i've ever met, that was raised by one of the nicest guys i've ever met, got out for the first time and within seconds had found a cat and malled it into a bloody pulp.... not because it was raised to do that but because thats what they are made to do

boachris Dec 26, 2007 09:38 PM

Note the fear in her eyes!

PhillyBoyInTN Dec 27, 2007 04:48 PM

That's amazing, so your one case was a pit thing and not a dog thing? I had Siberian Husky years ago that stayed with my parents after I moved out. One day he got out and upon doing several laps around the property he tried breaking into a chicken enlcosure to get at the chickens. Can't believe that huskies are that inherantly evil. On the other hand I have personally known many pits and their owners. I had one, ex-bro in law had 3, and a good friend had 2(which he breeds) Not only were they all babies but ALL 6 shared homes with cats. Mine would actually spend time on the couch with me watching a movie while I had a ball python around my neck.
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1.0 Columbian RTB - "Fedor"
1.0 Orange Ghost BP - "Charlie"
1.0 Mojave BP - "Jack"
3.0 Pastel BP - "Tito", "Cruz"(50% Het Ghost), "Jose"
1.0 100% Het Pied BP - "Logan"
1.0 100% Het Albino BP - "Mac"
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost - "Mya"
0.9 Normal BP - (3 poss het alb, 1 poss het pied)

"a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!" - joshhutto

Randall_Turner Dec 27, 2007 08:25 PM

lol, I almost posted earlier on this, and was going to mention Siberian Huskies, as they are instinctually more inclined to prey upon small animals (also plays into food aggression issues in many animals). My female Sibe has killed (and eaten atleast partially before I discovered them the next morning) a couple possums, a rabbit and a squirrel. Not to mention her dislike of stray cats.

Regarding Pit Bulls, I've had issues with them myself over the years. It is never at the fault of the animal.(Was due to living in a poor neighborhood where it wasn't uncommon to breed animals for fighting) When someone sees a dangerous Pit it is due to poor owner practices. You will see just as many aggressive dogs of other breeds if you look in the right place,(or should I say wrong place) to label a breed as a problem is narrow minded, and no different then saying the only good snake is a dead snake. The Pit is one of the American Icons of the 20th century due to their loyalty and their drive. (and no I don't own one, and probably never will although if the right circumstance came about I would).

I figured I'd also post a pic of a couple of my Sibes from a few years ago.

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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

PhillyBoyInTN Dec 27, 2007 10:27 PM

Your Sibes are absolutely beautiful, I guess I've always been drawn to mean dogs LoL.
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1.0 Columbian RTB - "Fedor"
1.0 Orange Ghost BP - "Charlie"
1.0 Mojave BP - "Jack"
3.0 Pastel BP - "Tito", "Cruz"(50% Het Ghost), "Jose"
1.0 100% Het Pied BP - "Logan"
1.0 100% Het Albino BP - "Mac"
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost - "Mya"
0.9 Normal BP - (3 poss het alb, 1 poss het pied)

"a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!" - joshhutto

Randall_Turner Dec 28, 2007 09:59 AM

Thanks. Even with their quirks I can't think of a breed I would enjoy working with more.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

jscrick Dec 28, 2007 09:05 AM

Muzzle on that one looks very wolf like.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

tyedor Dec 28, 2007 03:57 PM

by the way... i'm not saying that pits are the ONLY naturally more aggressive dog, it's just the one that came up. there are many breeds of dog that are a bit more aggressive from birth. dalmations are that way. my father has a wolf that has been spoiled since birth but is very pack oriented and will go crazy on strangers..... and chase and kill cats with wreckless abandon.
you can't say that a lab or a retreiver would act as aggressively as a pit or wolf or dalmation... and i mean with out the special attention that some people give there pits to make them more docile

boachris Dec 28, 2007 04:27 PM

you could make many incorrect generalizations. Charles Manson is a white male, so white males are psychopaths.

With the exception of the wolf (which is not truly domesticated), a dog's behavior is primarily a product of it's socialization. This is true in people as well.

tyedor Dec 29, 2007 07:47 PM

i think thats a bit much

boachris Dec 29, 2007 11:44 PM

I fully agree. Just being over dramatic to prove a point. We all (all dogs included) have the physical capacity to be killers. It doesn't mean we will.
I didn't mean to be offensive, but it's hard enough to own a pitt with all the media scare tactics around them. Most people freak out when they find out I have 7' snakes around my kids! I've been bitten by my snakes, never by my dogs!

PhillyBoyInTN Dec 30, 2007 01:37 AM

Funny you should mention that.... I have scratches constantly and some scars from our cats but never been bit by one of our snakes(knock on wood)
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1.0 Columbian RTB - "Fedor"
1.0 Orange Ghost BP - "Charlie"
1.0 Mojave BP - "Jack"
3.0 Pastel BP - "Tito", "Cruz"(50% Het Ghost), "Jose"
1.0 100% Het Pied BP - "Logan"
1.0 100% Het Albino BP - "Mac"
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost - "Mya"
0.9 Normal BP - (3 poss het alb, 1 poss het pied)

"a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!" - joshhutto

AbsoluteApril Dec 27, 2007 05:22 PM

It's all about how they are socaliazed. Any dog can be mean, any dog can be a sweetheart. The pit I had from 2 months to 4 yrs of age (she is with my ex now), she was from top-fighting stock, she was a runt and was going to be a 'target' dog for the others to learn on, my ex 'rescued' her (for a price) and she became our pet (I *do not* know the guy that was fighting/breeding, not my thing at all.) Anyways, we socialized her around our friend's kids, our parent's cats, the neighbor's dogs, friend's dogs both small and large. She never had any aggressive tendencies. She was trusted to be off leash in a house with 2 cats and there were never any problems, she was always just curious about them but that was it. I knew a guy that had a shepard/boxer mix that was not socialized and killed a cat that got into it's back yard... it's all about how the dog is raised IMO.
Ok, getting off topic..
back to your normally scheduled boa-chat.

-April

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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

TnK Dec 27, 2007 06:12 PM

Crack smokes itself . . . . .
Guns kill people . . . . . .
Ignorance is like "Ugly" it goes all the way to the bone with some people.
more.....

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>>pit bulls have the misfortune of being acquired by insecure humans seeking security and escape from their delusional self esteem issues,the inconsistent thought patterns of said people are generally transfered to the animals when forced to display aggression,an act they themselves aren't capable of due to lack of either physical size or emotional stability.Regretfully the animals aren't afforded domestication skills which allows for the animals instincts to override social cohabitation in society.
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TnK

tyedor Dec 28, 2007 04:04 PM

i'm not ignorant, i'm pointing out that every body who says that pits aren't aggressive has to explain how their pit was perfectly calm after they spent time training it or socializing it. you don't have to do that with some dogs because they are not naturally as amped up as pits and some other breeds

tyedor Dec 28, 2007 03:49 PM

i'm just saying that they have a tendancy. it's not just one case for me. i have heard alot of stories about pits attacking. do you think that if you put a pit and a golden retreiver in the same situations that the pit wouldn't have the more aggressive behavior? they are amped up at birth... i know alot of people put extra care into them and end up with a more docile dog that you might even be able to trust around your cat, but i do think that it takes extra care.... p.s. i was drinking alot of scotch when I wrote my first comment on this so sorry if it came off a little harsh. tye

boachris Dec 28, 2007 04:31 PM

Maybe due to media bias, anytime a pitt and a golden get into it at the dog park, it becomes "my poor baby golden was attacked by an evil "PITT BULL!!!"'
Media is powerfull.

Ophidia_Junkie Dec 28, 2007 09:47 PM

>>pit bulls have a genetic tendency to attack smaller animals... i've seen it several times over. the sweetest pit i've ever met, that was raised by one of the nicest guys i've ever met, got out for the first time and within seconds had found a cat and malled it into a bloody pulp.... not because it was raised to do that but because thats what they are made to do>>>>>>>>>

Says who? You really need to get a clue there....who ever you are. It's obvious you know nothing about them. Meet Sati...

She's my 7th APBT. And the only 1 out the 7 that shows any aggression to critters. My pits play with other dogs, including Sati. I've seen my moms kitten nursing on one of my pits in the past. Yeah, their evil.

Watch this, it may teach you something...
Sorry Again

Ignorance must be bliss.
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Richard Carew
Sunset BCI
You laugh at me cuz I'm different! I laugh at you cuz you're all the same.
Stop Inhumane and Illegal Practices

tyedor Dec 29, 2007 07:51 PM

well, i was expressing my opinion, but i can see i'm not going to puncture the tough skin on this one. agree to disagree.......

Ophidia_Junkie Dec 29, 2007 08:17 PM

>>well, i was expressing my opinion, but i can see i'm not going to puncture the tough skin on this one. agree to disagree.......

Maybe if your opinion had more to do with the OP's topic, it wouldn't have received such favorable attentions?

Just a thought.
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Richard Carew
Sunset BCI
You laugh at me cuz I'm different! I laugh at you cuz you're all the same.
Stop Inhumane and Illegal Practices

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