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cee4 Jan 01, 2008 11:50 AM

So I am trying to learn here before I make the decision to breed my own albino.
If I only do this very small scale.Meaning two adults only.
I guess my biggest question is how many offspring on average and
how long does one keep the babies before selling them off?.
Assuming I sell them all very quickly and keeping only the one or two I want.

What size prey items do newborn boas eat?
Do you feed your adults biweekly or weekly?

Do breeding females take more or less food?

Im just running this by here first.If I make the decision to do this I will buy a book or two first so I will learn all the details etc.
I may can the whole Idea and just buy a Suriname(they are beautiful too) for a pet instead depending on what they have at the expo.Or just stick with geckos.
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natsamjosh Jan 01, 2008 12:37 PM

Also keep in mind that if you do this on a "small scale", (one female and one male) that:

1)They may not even like each other and won't cooperate with your plan,

2)One may have a medical issue and can't cooperate with your plan

3) One may die

4) If you breed two hets, there's a chance you may not get any
albino babies, just visual normals (which are 66% possible het),
which won't command a high price.

Also, you'll probably have advertising costs if you want to sell them; especially if you want to sell them quickly.

I don't usually speak for others, but I'm pretty sure most will agree that you should breed snakes because you enjoy doing it. Doing it solely for earning X amount of money is probably not the best plan. Sure, you could get lucky and quickly produce a litter that has more albinos than the theoretical statistics show, but the odds are against it.

For what it's worth, I think it's hard to beat a nice Suriname.

Whatever you do, good luck.

Happy New Year,
Ed

>>So I am trying to learn here before I make the decision to breed my own albino.
>>If I only do this very small scale.Meaning two adults only.
>>I guess my biggest question is how many offspring on average and
>>how long does one keep the babies before selling them off?.
>>Assuming I sell them all very quickly and keeping only the one or two I want.
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>>What size prey items do newborn boas eat?
>>Do you feed your adults biweekly or weekly?
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>>Do breeding females take more or less food?
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>>Im just running this by here first.If I make the decision to do this I will buy a book or two first so I will learn all the details etc.
>>I may can the whole Idea and just buy a Suriname(they are beautiful too) for a pet instead depending on what they have at the expo.Or just stick with geckos.
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cee4 Jan 01, 2008 02:57 PM

Im not doing this for money.That is secondary,if I can make enough to buy extra rats to support my hobby then that is more then enough. I guess I like the challenge and I do like boas always have and well its a great hobby.
I have had all my reptiles for over 5yrs and have never had one die and only had one that needed vet care with a partial impaction(she is fine now).So I would hope death and sickness is a rare occurance.As for male, female compatibility, I guess thats just a risk one has to take.I know I could easily care for and feed the adults.I am more concerned with the needs of the babies and how much it will take to care for them while they are here.Thats why I need an estimate as to how many babies they have on average and how long to expect to have them as well as eating habits.
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strictly4fun Jan 01, 2008 04:11 PM

If you breed your snakes then you will feed your female a small meal every week or a bigger one every two weeks or don't breed them as adults and feed them once a month maybe 14 times a years and they may even hold off on the winter months so that is even less rats. That is less than 28 rats in my book so if you are doing it for money second, think about what you are getting into and do what makes you smile at the end of the day not what you think you'll make. Also think about the proper baby rack with tubs and thermostat into the matter also and definately a thermostat if you are trying to breed along with quality cages cuz the more variables you can control the better for your snakes. If you don't have anything really special in the albino form then expect about $500 for some and others may be less and if the albinos don't look good then the definate hets won't be worth much and if they are possibles just call them normals or sell them wholesale where they might be sold as normals in the pet stores. My .02 and hope it helps
Bob

charmer Jan 01, 2008 04:32 PM

Well, you will probably get more in depth and different opinions in the responses following my own.. but I'll give you my two cents as someone who started from scratch with babies and finally got a successful litter this year ;p
As for breeding, many people do not feed while they are attempting to breed their snakes. In addition some people 'cool' them before introducing them, which generally means it's better to not feed them either until they are back to normal temps and they can properly digest their food (depending on what temps you use when cooling). I do not cool my snakes, but I've still had successful breeding and much attempted breeding this year. I feed them small meals during breeding sometimes, I only separate them when there is no activity for the meals and because I want them strong and healthy. After breeding, some feed females that accept meals while they are gravid, but you'll find some gals just won't eat at all by choice. I feed very small meals every couple weeks, up until about a month or so before I expect her to give birth. To feed later may cause premature births while passing waste, no bueno! ;p
I feed my adult gals (BCI, not BCC) a couple large rats every 2 weeks, or for the much larger gals, a 2-3lb bunny every 3-4 weeks or longer. This is all approximate for me, others have a more strict schedule. I try not to overfeed, but I do feed a little more before I expect to be breeding a female to put extra weight on her, lean weight, not fat weight ;p. Even if they want more than you've given them, don't let them talk you into it if you don't think they need it! ;p I feed my males a bit less than that and sometimes they refuse food during breeding, one track mind you see!
In my first successful breeding, I was lucky to get 20 babies from my female, her first litter too... so she did great. I had bought her as a 100% Het and bred her to my male albino. The lady never sent the paperwork for her, and I discovered much to my dismay, that I was ripped off when the litter yielded NO albinos. That is something else that you have to look forward to, make sure you get a Het. from a reliable source and try to get picture ID paperwork too (I sell all of my Hets with those, and keep a copy, so if they ever try to come back and say I ripped them off I can check the adult pattern to those in the baby pictures!)
I did not expect so many babies for her first litter and at first I had to house them 4 to a tub. I waited for the first shed to try a very, very tiny pink rat for each snake (fed separately). I started with rats because if you start on mice, sometimes it will be a pain later to switch them to rats! You feed the babies a meal that is about the size of the largest part of the midsection, and probably smaller when you are starting them off. I fed mine once a week, as they've grown I've sometimes waited for them to defecate before feeding. When they had each shed a few times and had a certain amount of meals, I traded half of them for rack-work from a friend, and then was able to separate the rest and catalog each with pictures to start advertising for selling. It takes awhile to sell them, especially since I am nobody yet. I had to lower prices to make my babies more 'attractive' and then I gave deals for anyone who bought more than one. I made sure each person got the birth cert. with my information AND pictures of the parents as they got their new babies. Sad to see them go. I kept 1.4 and they each have a separate tub so I have no trouble telling who went when, who is sick, who shed, who didn't eat, etc.
My kids born in May are eating rat fuzzies... but two gals are bigger than the rest and growing like monsters, they get the almost hopper size babies. The male I kept is the smallest of them all and eats the littlest rat fuzzies. I don't want to push them and since I can focus on 5 easier than 20 ;p It isn't a problem to wait for them to poo before another feeding.
Enough rambling from me, hope that helped a bit. Since I am fairly new and started from scratch, I thought it may be interesting for you to read about my experiences so far. Oh, I did adopt/rescue an 8ft female and when I bred her to my Anery male a half year later, all I got was heartbreak. The first litter was premature, I saved two... one died later. I was bawling. The one male that survived is big now and an changes colors. I waited a year to give her a break and tried again, same pairing, she threw slugs and very premature babies. Nobody survived from that litter. I thought It was all me until my litter last year (weird to say that now ;p back in 2007!)that came out perfect without any slugs, premies, or stills. I hope you have better luck with your first breedings!
So Good luck!

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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
0.1 DH Sunglow (Bonnie)
1.0 Het. Anery (Guy)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.1 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal)
1.2 Hogg Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Apricot)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
0.1 Emerald Tree boa (Jade)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.1 Carpet Pythons (Jackson & Charlotte)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

natsamjosh Jan 01, 2008 05:37 PM

I agree it's a great hobby, and I hope whatever you choose to do you have great results. Maybe I'm assuming too much from your posts, but a couple things you said raised some red flags in my mind. That you have such a small budget (less than $500) for a snake was one thing. That means you have a minimal amount of money to use. As others have said, the food for babies is just one (smaller?) cost, there are also other costs like space, racks, heating, etc. (And if you don't enjoy taking care of 1 or 2 dozen hungry little snakes, there is also the opportunity cost of not using that time for something else you enjoy or can easily make money doing.)

One other thing you said, which hits close to home, was that your husband doesn't like reptiles. (My wife does not like snakes either, which is why I only have one right now.) Will he be okay with you having 1 to 2 dozen little snakes taking up space for the sole purpose of paying for the hobby and adding more to your personal collection?

Again, good luck, keep us posted on what you decide.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Im not doing this for money.That is secondary,if I can make enough to buy extra rats to support my hobby then that is more then enough. I guess I like the challenge and I do like boas always have and well its a great hobby.
>>I have had all my reptiles for over 5yrs and have never had one die and only had one that needed vet care with a partial impaction(she is fine now).So I would hope death and sickness is a rare occurance.As for male, female compatibility, I guess thats just a risk one has to take.I know I could easily care for and feed the adults.I am more concerned with the needs of the babies and how much it will take to care for them while they are here.Thats why I need an estimate as to how many babies they have on average and how long to expect to have them as well as eating habits.
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ChrisGilbert Jan 01, 2008 03:57 PM

In my opinion babies should eat a minimum of 4 meals before even being offered for sale. And shouldn't be shipped out until at least 10 meals, unless the buyer understands everything and you feel the babies are well established.

My adult females eat every 7-14 days depending on the rotation, and individual metabolism.
Males eat every 3-4 weeks.
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